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It has been a long time too for me working on floppies - the following is from memory.
Single density ALWAYs has clock bit
MFM has a clock bit if there is no precceding data bit or following data bit - I think
M2FM was slightly different logic, but along the same lines where clock bits were added if there were no data bits. I think Intel were the only people who ever used M2FM
GCR was often 5 bits of disk data for 4 bits of actual data - make sure there were never more than 2 zeros in a row.
400K/800K Macs were GCR, but with 5 different recording rates for each group of 16 tracks.
Sirius and Commodore were all GCR, and some Commodore were 100tpi
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Nice! The snodgrass case is THE case that made me interested in forensics in the first place. The solution was brilliant, I remember that they developed a method to warm up the cut up and bent pieces with a soldering iron without melting it by attaching a metal to it that would reduce the heat just enough to make the disc go back to normal - absolutely brilliant!
Is possible rebuild a cut floppy disk & retrieve data?
Re: Is possible rebuild a cut floppy disk & retrieve data?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:31 pm
- PaulSanderson- mscotgroveon double density disks, there is not always a clock bit.
You sure about this? Single or double density the encoding is still MFM (assumimg a PC and not GCR on a Mac) and MFM calls for clock bits always. It's been a long time since I read a floppy at the raw level but I dont recall any difference in the way I read and pieced together double/single density disks.
It has been a long time too for me working on floppies - the following is from memory.
Single density ALWAYs has clock bit
MFM has a clock bit if there is no precceding data bit or following data bit - I think
M2FM was slightly different logic, but along the same lines where clock bits were added if there were no data bits. I think Intel were the only people who ever used M2FM
GCR was often 5 bits of disk data for 4 bits of actual data - make sure there were never more than 2 zeros in a row.
400K/800K Macs were GCR, but with 5 different recording rates for each group of 16 tracks.
Sirius and Commodore were all GCR, and some Commodore were 100tpi
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mscotgrove - Senior Member
Re: Is possible rebuild a cut floppy disk & retrieve data?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:49 pm
A very quick bit of googling - I think you may be on about MMFM dropping the odd bit. I am pretty certain that both single density and double density floppies used standard MFM - it was just packed in twice as densely (stating the obvious).
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PaulSanderson - Senior Member
Re: Is possible rebuild a cut floppy disk & retrieve data?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:03 pm
I disagree
Only SD always has a clock bit
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Only SD always has a clock bit
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mscotgrove - Senior Member
Re: Is possible rebuild a cut floppy disk & retrieve data?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:39 am
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...Modulation
Single density is FM. Typically this died with 8" IBM disks
Some very early 5.25 disk were single density, but most were 40 track double density (360K) or 80 track, High density, 1.2MB
I am not aware of a 3.5" disk that was ever single density, always double density (720K)or high density (1.4M) Extra density was 2.8M but never caught on.
Double and high density all use MFM (with conditional clock bits).
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Single density is FM. Typically this died with 8" IBM disks
Some very early 5.25 disk were single density, but most were 40 track double density (360K) or 80 track, High density, 1.2MB
I am not aware of a 3.5" disk that was ever single density, always double density (720K)or high density (1.4M) Extra density was 2.8M but never caught on.
Double and high density all use MFM (with conditional clock bits).
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mscotgrove - Senior Member
Re: Is possible rebuild a cut floppy disk & retrieve data?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:22 am
Sorry I was just talking about 3.5" disks - I haven't seen a 5.25 for about 15 years
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PaulSanderson - Senior Member
Re: Is possible rebuild a cut floppy disk & retrieve data?
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:16 pm
- keydet89It's been possible since the '90s:
www.csoonline.com/arti...f-evidence
Nice! The snodgrass case is THE case that made me interested in forensics in the first place. The solution was brilliant, I remember that they developed a method to warm up the cut up and bent pieces with a soldering iron without melting it by attaching a metal to it that would reduce the heat just enough to make the disc go back to normal - absolutely brilliant!
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