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I am very interested in starting a career in mobile forensics. I need to find the best training program to learn what I need to know to get started in this field. If you guys could respond back and give me an idea what you would reccomend I would greatly appreciate it. I have researched all the major providers of this training and it is hard to determine what would be the best coursework so any suggestions would be appreciated.

 
Posted : 12/08/2013 4:47 am
jaclaz
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I am very interested in starting a career in mobile forensics. I need to find the best training program to learn what I need to know to get started in this field. If you guys could respond back and give me an idea what you would reccomend I would greatly appreciate it. I have researched all the major providers of this training and it is hard to determine what would be the best coursework so any suggestions would be appreciated.

Maybe you could list the "major providers of this training" that you researched, and express what your doubts are more specifically.
Also knowing something about your current education and location (or will to move in other cities/states/countries) might be of use for any member willing to provide a suggestion.

jaclaz

 
Posted : 12/08/2013 3:18 pm
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Definitely give us more details, as jaclaz suggests.

Otherwise, there are vendor based training, and non-vendor based.

These are all US based, but I have not dealt with all of them.

You can try vendor-based Cellebrite, Paraben, Logicube, Oxygen, Susteen, XRY, or MobileEdit. They all have some sort of training (or used to).

For non-vendor based you can try GIAC, TeelTech, Sumuri or BKForensics.

 
Posted : 12/08/2013 5:30 pm
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Well, of course more details would help you guys out, so all apologies about that…

Anyways, I have no background in law enforcement/ forensics or anything like that. I have held a variety of jobs, but none of my experience would be applicable to this field. To be frank, I am the most entry level type you could consider in this field. I'm honestly just an interested hobbyist at this point; in the sense I am motivated and determined to find a way into this field, but I'm now looking at the appropriate action.

Most of the educational providers that I have researched have been vendor based, and that seems to be my concern. It is difficult to determine what could be the most "standard" or the best choice of a training program where all of them offer training in different software platforms and procedures. Due to the number of programs and the fact that all of them use different software programs, it makes my head spin determining which of them would be the smartest choice due to my inexpereince.

Now in regards to my research with non-vendor based training…. To begin I have not done as much research on this sector of training. But, would a non vendor based training be able to provide a broad overview of the field so I could start in the field and learn the tools as needed? Or would it make more sense to get the training through a vendor since I would be using thier tools anyway? A non-vendor type training seems as if it would be a prefect thing for someone to get started in the field, but it also seems to have its drawbacks.

This might help you guys answer my question. I have about 5K to 6K to spend towards education. I would like to take a program(or programs) that will provide me with the ability to begin working in this field once I have completed my training. I know that this career field does not really have consistent "standards" to become an expert, but I really just need to find the education program that would be best suited from changing a "nobody" into a "somebody", so to speak. I am someone who has an incredible desire to begin in this field, but is perplexed on how to start. Basically, to be frank again, I want to be a "certified" mobile phone examiner, and I need the most recommended direction to make this happen, so any advice or information would be greatly, greatly appreciated. In short, I want to become as knowledgable as I can without on the job experience through training so I can leave my coursework feeling confident in my abilities and to be able to work with a variety of phones and to be able to retrieve as much information as possible from said phones.

If you guys have more specific questions that would help you answer my question, please don't hesitate to ask because I will be checking this post often.

Thank all of you for your time and thanks to all who respond. This question will have a deep impact on how I approach things from here so your comments on this post are greatly appreciated. )

 
Posted : 12/08/2013 9:59 pm
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The issue - as I see it - is that the market is seemingly asking for people with EITHER

  • a BSc in Computing Science AND a couple years of experience in the specific field
  • several (6+) years of experience in the specific field

For a number of reasons both the above sketched professional figures are quite rare, whilst there are a number of fresh BSc's trying to find internships or *whatever* as long as it allows them to start working in the field. (these people are - presumably - deemed to be part of what many here call "one button forensics" and that I personally call much more bluntly "trained monkeys" 😯 ).

There are a few threads dedicated to the above, see
http//www.forensicfocus.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=10841/
http//www.forensicfocus.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=9747/

The point is that in the current situation it seems like "formal education" (a BSc in related matters) has become a base pre-requisite even for those aspiring (actually forced) to become a "trained monkey".

Before anything else, do take some time checking the actual "classifieds" in this forum
http//www.forensicfocus.com/Forums/viewforum/f=8/
and more than that this forum
http//www.forensicfocus.com/Forums/viewforum/f=19/
where often related (directly or indirectly) topics are discussed, at least you will get a better idea of the common issues/doubts.

I don't think (BTW I want in no way to put you down ) ) that any "vendor" or "independent" course will be able to make a "nobody" (additionally and presumably missing some "basics") into a "somebody", but much more than that, since a number of "nobodies" that are made formally "somebody" by the Uni BSc they hold are seemingly abundant and willing to work "for peanuts" wink as long as it gives them - at least on paper - the "field experience" they are missing now, you will have a lot of competition when looking for an actual job.

jaclaz

 
Posted : 12/08/2013 10:39 pm
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$5k to $6k in Education money will get you one course with hotel, flight, food.

You wont even get the software to be able to use, which would be worthless, because you couldn't apply the software to situations you set up to make yourself better at using the specific software.

A lot of the things that need to be known aren't taught, they are learned from jobs you have such as a phone lineman, or security at a cellphone company.

Try looking into any companies that offer discounts for taking all the training at once.

 
Posted : 13/08/2013 6:51 am
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Actually, Paraben has a training package for under $5k that includes multiple classes, software, and hardware. PM me for details.

 
Posted : 14/08/2013 12:27 am
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I am starting to see requests for degree in Forensics specifically, not just Computer Science. Some will say Forensics or Security, but Forensics is preferred.

 
Posted : 14/08/2013 1:29 am
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Sorry.

I am aware and forgot to put that, when normally I highlight that. Paraben is good training and you can get the 3rd level on DVD so you will go over it again and again. BTW the 3rd level is the hardest and the one that will start to establish your knowledge.

Actually, Paraben has a training package for under $5k that includes multiple classes, software, and hardware. PM me for details.

 
Posted : 14/08/2013 4:16 am
jaclaz
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I am starting to see requests for degree in Forensics specifically, not just Computer Science. Some will say Forensics or Security, but Forensics is preferred.

Sure, when you have a huge number of "possible applicants", you can afford to be overly selective.

And this is what brings us back to here
http//www.forensicfocus.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=10841/
http//www.forensicfocus.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=6568460/#6568460
and to serfdom 😯
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom

jaclaz

 
Posted : 14/08/2013 4:14 pm
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