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Cybercrime Institute @ Kennesaw State Univ. - CCE training

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funyfarm
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Hi all … I've read a lot about Champlain's degree program and I thank all who shared their experiences. You have helped me a great deal and I am glad you all are here and sharing your experiences. I'm torn between Champlain's degreed program & Kennesaw State's CCE bootcamp. I'm considering the bootcamp because it is close to Atlanta (where I live) and it offers some hands on experience (even if only for 1 wk).

My questions for the group are Has anyone gone through Kennesaw's program or know someone who has? What was your opinion of the program (plus' & minus')? Would you recommend the program? Were you already working in forensics or were you looking when you took the course? If looking, how did you go about getting work experience and how long after completing the program before getting your first forensics related job? How long was it before you took the CCE exam after fininshing the bootcamp? Do you think the bootcamp adequately prepared you for the exam? What did you think of the hands on time during the course? Was it enough? Was it helpful? Were you able to network or get leads for potential job opportunities?

As you can see, I have a boat load of questions. If there is anyone out there who has gone through Kennesaw State's CCE bootcamp and can share their experience with me, I'd greatly appreciate it.

I'm currently employed on the corporate side where I have several years of experience conducting most all types of trademark infringement related investigations (many of which involve social engineering) with occasional support in litigation, licensing and crises management matters. I've worked on both domestic and international investigations and have dealt with domain name matters as well as the sell of fraudulent merchandise. As such, I find myself tracking many of these infringers through their Internet and email activities and that is how I came to find out about computer forensics. I'd like to work directly in this field but am lacking the classroom training and/or certifications and this is why I'm seeking opinions of those who have been through or are in either of these two programs.

Sorry to be so lengthy on my first posting but thanks in advance for your help.

Jena

 
Posted : 17/08/2005 11:12 am
andy1500mac
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Funnyfarm,

I don’t think you could go wrong either way as it sounds like you have an excellent base from which to start from. If Kennesaw State just prepares you for the CCE exam and doesn’t give you some other type of certificate or degree I would probably opt for Champlain as you could always take the CCE exam after the fact anyway.

Seeing as you have some experience I assume you want some accreditations. You could probably kill two birds with one stone by going to Champlain, getting their DFC or AAS and more than likely be able to write/do the CCE exam .If Kennesaw State offers you the same (a certification) plus training for CCE… then I can see your dilemma.

As you said, maybe someone who has gone to Kennesaw could offer some insight…

Andrew-

 
Posted : 17/08/2005 4:56 pm
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This doesn't address the two choices you presented but I would better consider picking one of the main tools such as FTK or Encase and going to their classes (3 for FTK) (5? for Encase) and then take a vendor neutral class which covers acquisition, seizure, methods, etc.

 
Posted : 17/08/2005 11:34 pm
funyfarm
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Yeah, initially I looked into vendor specific certs. but after reviewing their courses and talking to some local HTCIA members, I decided this would be a better plan of action for me. Thanks for the suggestion.

 
Posted : 18/08/2005 4:20 am
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HTCIA prohibits defense work (which I do) be careful not to alienate firms who may want to hire you by joining an organization that dictates what work you can do.

 
Posted : 18/08/2005 9:17 am
funyfarm
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Didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.

 
Posted : 18/08/2005 5:12 pm
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Funnyfarm,
Not sure if my answer will help but here goes.
I am currently enrolled at Kennesaw State in the online version of the forensics training. This is different than the bootcamp in that I complete the training modules one at a time at my own pace.
Even though I plan on sitting for the CCE exam once I complete the training it was not my first goal of the course.
The couse will teach you the proper way to conduct a forensic examination as well as how to create proper documentation. Writing the reports correctly to stand up in court is worth the cost of the training. Gaining the requirements to sit for the CCE is a great by-product.

hope that helps,

 
Posted : 18/08/2005 9:44 pm
funyfarm
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Thanks Dilligaf. Do you think the online version of the course adequately prepared you for the exam? Have you taken the exam yet? How is what you learned in the online course compare to the exam? If you don't mind my asking, are you already in the industry, been in it or a while or is this a career change or new opportunity for you?

 
Posted : 28/08/2005 11:55 pm
dilligaf
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Once I complete the course I plan on taking the exam. As of now, I am about 1/2 way through the course.
My forensic duties are via my job. I work in Corporate America in an InfoSec position. I have been everything from a bench tech, lan admin, wire monkey, consultant, and now an InfoSec security specialist for a Fortune 500 company. I know that over 11 years of IT experience does not make a good forensic examiner but it may provide technical insight.
I am looking to expand my current position to include what I learn in the course. Most of the time believe it or not companies do not perform forensics correctly. If things go to litigation most would not stand up. I am attempting to correct that where I work.

 
Posted : 30/08/2005 1:56 am
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I did the Kennesaw State CCE Boot camp two years ago. It was taught by John Mellon, one of the old names in computer forensics, who both knows his subject inside out and is also a great teacher (and a very nice guy). He also wrote the course.

Whilst this course prepares one for the CCE examination is does a great deal more than that in that it teaches computer forensics from the ground up and leaves one with both a detailed theoretical knowledge of the subject and a lot of practical experience.

Although the course only lasts five days it is a very full five days, I remember the class room, some time for eating and I guess I must have slept some as well but I don't remember much else about Kennesaw. Don't go if you want a holiday in the South.

The written course material which is two fat spiral bound 8.5x11 books that need to be read before attending the course, you also get several $100 worth of software that allow one to complete most of the course practicals. Whilst EnCase and Access Data's FTK are discussed this is a vendor neutral course.

I have also attended some vendors' instruction sessions which may teach one about a particular product but certainly did not teach me much about computer forensics.

To sum up - it is a first-class course presented by able and knowledgeable instructors in a custom built lab to small groups of students. Go for it!

PS you get a discount if you are LE.

 
Posted : 31/08/2005 12:51 am
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