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(@tootypeg)
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How does everyone feel about the way in which we address this material. I constantly see it referred to as CP and this term is just not appropriate (IMO). I think there is a growing consensus of this, but yet it still comes round to being referred to as this.

What do people think? I know legislation in certain countries uses this term, but I think given we are the field where this field predominately features, I think we should make a stance to change it.

I know the UK refers to it as IIoC, but what do people think is an appropriate term?

 
Posted : 22/03/2018 8:43 pm
jaclaz
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Maybe CEP (or CEM)?

Last time the matter was discussed AFAICR there were only these listed
https://www.forensicfocus.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=6561828/#6561828
https://www.forensicfocus.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=6561867/#6561867

jaclaz

 
Posted : 22/03/2018 8:56 pm
(@armresl)
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CP is the correct term.
Contraband is also a term, but that encompasses money, terrorism, and CP.

 
Posted : 22/03/2018 9:28 pm
BraindeadVirtually
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CP is the correct term.

I hate the term CP. True pornography is an industry which should involve people of age giving informed consent to be involved in order to be paid a fair wage and work in regulated, safe environments. Legitimate pornography is a fact of living in a free world, and if nobody is hurt and you don't personally like it, just don't watch it.

On the other hand, children are, tragically, exploited and become victims of horrendous abuse (whether filmed or not) but can never be involved in pornography in any true sense of the word.

 
Posted : 22/03/2018 11:37 pm
benfindlay
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CP is the correct term.

According to what/whom?

I must strongly disagree with you there. Its certainly not the correct term to be used according to the various legislation(s) local to me, as the terminology in use is/are 'indecent images of children' and 'prohibited images of children'.

If you look at https://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Crimes-against-children/Appropriate-terminology you will see the following

Children who have been sexually abused and photographed or filmed deserve to be protected and respected, and not have the seriousness of their abuse reduced by the use of terms such as "porn".

Pornography is a term used for adults engaging in consensual sexual acts distributed (mostly) legally to the general public for their sexual pleasure.

Child abuse images involve children who cannot and would not consent and who are victims of a crime.

Terms such as "kiddy porn" and "child porn" are used by criminals and should not be legitimate language used by law enforcement, judiciary, the public or media.

Europol (link here) refer to it as 'child abuse material', amongst other things.

 
Posted : 23/03/2018 8:35 am
hectic_forensics
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In the UK I think there is a growing consensus that this sort of material should be referred to as 'Child Abuse Imagery / Child Abuse Material' - which is exactly what it is.

The 'CP' term is outdated and should no longer be used.

 
Posted : 23/03/2018 9:25 am
(@dandaman_24)
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CSE
IIoC

I do find the term CP wholly inappropriate.

 
Posted : 23/03/2018 10:43 am
(@brevs11)
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CSE is being used more commonly now. CP or KP is just awful and I cringe whenever I hear it spoken. It's very 1990's and should not be heard in this day and age IMHO.

It is also common to see IIoC or IPoC although I've seen all kinds of different terms used over the years.

For practitioners, I've always practiced and advocated using the terms that are laid down in the legislation.

The Protection of Children Act 1978 and Criminal Justice Act 1988 both refer to 'Indecent photographs of children' or or 'pseudo-photograph'.

The Coroners and Justice Act 2009 refers to 'prohibited images of children'.

And while I'm at it, the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 refers to 'extreme pornographic images'.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no mention or distinction made between photographs/images/videos/movies in the legislation itself with the exception of Extreme Pornographic Images where 'image' is defined as 'a moving or still image (produced by any means).'

I have seen some criticism in the Courts in the use of language used by some to define such material. I've seen expert witnesses told to avoid the use of 'emotive' language or such words as 'abuse' or 'victim'.

I've seen a Judge 'order' a prosecuting barrister to rewrite an entire indictment as she had not used the exact wording of the legislation, she had used something like 'child abuse images' and the judge told her to use 'Indecent photographs of children' because that is what the legislation defines it as.

So unless I have been asked to describe a photograph I tend to stick with what the legislation calls it.

 
Posted : 23/03/2018 3:36 pm
(@chris55728)
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CSE
IIoC

I do find the term CP wholly inappropriate.

Agreed.

 
Posted : 23/03/2018 4:25 pm
(@randomaccess)
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we use child abuse material (CAM) or child exploitation material (CEM)

In my jurisdiction, CP is not the correct term, and I know of one case where using that term has caused issues at court.

 
Posted : 23/03/2018 11:25 pm
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