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Please, help to resolve this.

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Re: Please, help to resolve this.

Post Posted: Dec 07, 18 23:11

We read some very interesting info. And laugh very loudly.

From the Official Greek Forensic Lab "expertise":

" We make a copies using a very famous and very known software".
" We conclude, that our equipment does not contains foreign data". How ? is not mentioned- it is a mystery!
" The time is what the user choose"- What in reality the user choose? is not mention anywhere. Actually, ALL MAC times are unknown.
" We extract THIS program activity"- The exact "activities" are not mentioned, and the software is absent- NO DATA< NO FILES< NO software at all.
" We extract activities form the "Chrome" browser, and from the "Goggle Chrome" browser". Do someone here knows "Chrome" browser to exist? We know- "Google Chrome" browser. Actually, there was not a Google Chrome, either "Chrome" actually installed on the disk mentioned. Either deleted!
"Safari is 2nd in popularity Windows OS browser"- statement is this!

From the policemen unlawful search and "examination" affidavit :
" The defendant do this, do that"- from the official forensic report, there is no any evidences exist to support these statements. Actually, about two of these, the software needed to "do this, do that" IS NOT PRESENT- even deleted- no trace whatsoever. IN ANY DISK confiscated!

Some dialogues in court- first court:

DL- a defendant lawyer
J- Judge [ sarcastic and totally prejudiced]
Prosec -Prosecutor

DL" We insist the policemen to tell us, which exactly forbidden sites the defendant visited and when? And-form the forensic report-please show us the forensic proof of all this EXACTLY "?

P: " Yes, he visited, he visited... and downloaded material from them".
DL: " The names of the sites pls, and the correspondent forensic data? Which files he obtains and when?"

P: 'Aaa, visited, visited. If not visited, form where he obtain these forbidden 10 files"? [the CP files in question in this case are summarily 10, all]

J: "Mr. [lawer's name] If he not visited, how he obtain the files? VISITED... VISITED. There is no other way someone to obtain these files. If they are present, the defendant visited "these" sites."

DL: " But, your honor, there is no data at all to support all this false statements! Where is the forensic proof?"

J: "Proofs? I DO NOT NEED forensic proofs - here I see 10 files - i.e. - HE visited forbidden, sites and take the files in question from there. I already make conclusions by circumstantial evidences and by application the moral rule of evidences"- probably you do not know- in Greece, there is a such things like "moral principle of the evidences" and various nebula type of "conclusions", with which the Greek judiciary suits themselves and make any kind of fabrications type "virtual reality" possible. Actually, they support whatsoever they pleased. When someone ask- "This? from where this is proved?" the answer is " I make my conclusions applying "the moral principle of evidence and the evidential criteria of existence".

DL: " But, your honor, the defendant computer is not able to write to this disk, because he have a MacOSX system- the disk is a NTFS disk!"

Prosec " Yes, I know this, BUT In a meantime, i call my friend, and ask him " It is possible?". And he tell me- by implementing some approaches-ALL is possible!"

DL: "And, Mr. Prosecutor, WHICH of all of these approaches the defendant uses? Because, there is no forensic proof ANY approaches of this sort to be present in this case"

Prosec: "You are so boring with all these question! I'm not so competent in forensic matters."

DL: " AND HOW then you Mr. Prosecutor support all this nonsense- you just confess, that you are irrelevant about forensic matters".

Prosec: " I accepted the REAL EVENTS. The forensic side of the case is irrelevant to me."

DL: "Mr. prosecutor, WHAT "real events" without real forensic events is possible ever to exist? It IS possible? there is no "real event in computer forensics" without according to them "forensic artifacts". You understand this Sir, or no?"

Prosec: " I judge the real events, implementing my highly moral standards. Look at the real events!".

DL: " "Real events"? black cat in the dark room, especially when there is no cat in the dark room?"

DL: " Hm... Judge, your Honor, In this court it is unbelievable to hear someone to make a such statements ".

J: "WHY?? We have very high moral standards".

DL: " BUT, this is forensic science? How these are applied??"

Judge- "Half an hour interim for coffee".  

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Re: Please, help to resolve this.

Post Posted: Jan 21, 19 23:35

Some fresh news.

After two other private labs here in December of 2018 mentioned, that they was ALSO approached in the past by some corrupted Greek high ranking persons for more elaborate "information" and tricks, about how to frame peoples with false forensic data (the info is about two old Greek cases- one of them- about famous Greek blogger/journalist, who was framed by the Greek Cyber Crime Unit with false accusation of "possession", because he post some political info on his blog, and must be punished), a full scale investigation here is started.

We also learned, that the now fired old Greek Cyber Crime Unit chief Sfakianakis in person call various persons, members of some official Greek "black lists" in the past, and threatened them with "prosecution" if hey do not follow the "right line". The prosecutions Sfakianakis tells them will begin with sudden visit and "seizure" of their digital data (the rest is for your imagination-i.e what will be "find" by the "inspections").

The 4 labs written full account about the cases to our Justice Ministry. We had also a series of meetings. Our lawyers was present too.
We also talk with our old EU contacts about what will be needed.
ALL private forensic labs here was warned NOT TO DO business with any Greek official and/or non-official forensic Lab.  

Senior Member

Re: Please, help to resolve this.

Post Posted: Jan 22, 19 09:59

Toda raba for reporting in detail and giving an update. Your case seem to be very difficult so I hope you can relax in this chaos.  

Senior Member

Re: Please, help to resolve this.

Post Posted: Mar 03, 19 23:24

Some fresh news

End of February, and after 7 and half an hour meeting at our Ministry of Justice, we, 4 Forensic Labs, decide to sue here the high-ranked Greek Police Officer mentioned, and the two policemen, who profited from his illegal activities. We know ALL the names. How this will be implemented, is now clear.

We also propose to our ombudsmen, using EU laws and practices, to indict also one Greek prosecutor from the preliminary investigation. This prosecutor, NOT only profited from the "activity" of the aforementioned high ranking person and all this mess there, but invented evidences, falsified evidences, and promote clearly NOT valid forensic "evidences" like "legal and admissible". How exactly this will be implemented about this special category person- we will discuss in middle March.

It will be quit a achievement, if we successfully implement all this- actually, these persons do not have immunity, and it is quite easy, various legal approaches to be implemented.

We also learn about two other Greek "birds", who do the same thing with other 3 Forensic lab in OTHER EU country. At "friendly base" there, no payment... you know.

Continued to read documents from there ( documents, forensic reports, cases etc.) the pictures is quite... just not have a word to say.... bleak house.

We will fight until the end.

Thanks for all your support - personal letters in other places, forensic support, all kind of other support.

Wolfie, my dear old fired, I'm especially grateful to you for the forensic help from Norway, Denmark and Germany. We, the two of us, know well, why we work this, isn't it Wolfie? like in the beginning - " I'm not afraid of anything- bears excluded" Smile . Greatly appreciated all your help!  

Senior Member

Re: Please, help to resolve this.

Post Posted: Mar 04, 19 09:07

Stand strong, no fear! You will win my unknown friend.  

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Re: Please, help to resolve this.

Post Posted: Jun 18, 19 11:38

- TinyBrain
Stand strong, no fear! You will win my unknown friend.

Fresh news from the front.

Our team learn, that a new Penal Code, and new Penal code of procedures in Greece was voted. The two laws was freshly voted in Parliament and will be implemented from the 1st of July 2019.

For the first time in Mediterranean country, and officially, and by the law [article 265, Penal Code of procedures], the forensic acquisition [ master copy, second copy, with hash verification] is made obligatory form of acquisition of digital evidences on the spot [crime scene]. More, it is now obligatory to present signed "Forensic form of Acquisition", in which all details must be present, and the form-appropriately signed.

This is really a huge progress. And departure from the obscure past of the Greek national cyber-crime unit. And his obscure shenanigans.

Our lawyers are in hope, that all court procedures, which are ongoing, will be terminated, if the presented digital evidences in court are not presented according to the article of the new law. And it is logical, because they will be inadmissible by the new law.

Actually, we learn, that for almost 10 years, the Greek Cyber crime Unit NEVER make acquisition with hashes on the crime scene. Either seal a digital evidence. Yes, this unit had a bad habits in the past- NEVER seal digital evidences- just transport them in an open supermarket or McDonald's bags.  

Senior Member

Re: Please, help to resolve this.

Post Posted: Sep 03, 19 09:40

Mid October we will start our legal procedures here. With 4 labs depositions.
We tried, unsuccessfully, to involve the Greek press- no chance. The celebrity lives are more important. And the man is a foreigner.
And the Greek National cyber-crime unit REALLY lost all credibility and national confidence. Nobody cares anymore.

We learn more, about what actually happened-really disturbing things:

* The Greek cyber crime unit falsify and manipulate crucial digital forensic evidences. Because they ask for judicial approval based on false, non-existence evidences. But was "shy" to retreat.

* the policeman, who was responsible for the investigation was so,sorry, incompetent, that he was not able even to write coherent review of the case. It is a total mess to read this! The one half of his expose strongly contradicts the rest. No forensic data at all. All is in the tune " We supposed, we think, we imagine that this is possible". Baseless- no evidence at all. In scope to cover this, the pages and the paragraphs of these "reviews" was not numbered, not stamped- at any time, they add or remove paragraphs or pages accordingly to what new data the judicial officials unlawfully divulged back to them.

* the investigation team and the prosecutor saw the falsified evidences at the begging, do nothing. Otherwise, the case must be promoted unlawful, and terminated immediately. In scope to cover all this, the prosecutor HIMSELF, for the second time, falsified crucial evidences-all must be put back on track, ok? And in scope to cover the highly incompetent Greek cyber-crime unit and cover their a**es, the prosecutor's office invent channels to divulge all the investigation's data back to Greek national cyber-crime unit. The unit, "refresh" accordingly their "data" and affidavits, in "real time", rewriting constantly all middle pages, keeping the first and last paragraphs intact.

* those same judicial persons divulge all the defendant's arguments back to the Greek cyber-crime unit in a real time. Plus, the defendant's arguments from his conversations with his lawyer.

* In scope to make the defendant unable to defend himself, they put him in a jail 800 km away form his home town. And constantly give him false prepaid phone cards. These cards, actually, contains zero talking time.

* The Greek judiciary divulged all the investigation's data back to the Greek-cyber crime unit without any cover or shame- WITH THEIR SIGNATURES, NAMES, STAMPS, OFFICIALLY. ALL ON PAPER. Mediterranean habits? traditions? I don't know. But so blatantly- is unique...

* The prosecutor's office ask the man to "confess" based on the second time falsified data (the prosecutor's "achievement"). Sure, the man does not confess, and spit them in the face, calling them "incompetent, stupid owls". They punish him, unlawfully prolonging his incarceration, based on TOTAL FALSE and non-existence evidences. When the man pushed them back to explain the forensic report's planted false evidences, they simply promote the forensic Lab " a genius Lab"- if in the report was written, that, in 2018, "a Greek prosecutor goes on the Moon"- ALL is accepted-the origin of the data is "aristocratically verified to be bona fides state origin, from the nucleus of the state". The defendant is a stupid nothing.

* And they prepared a "fast trial", fast-charged. And two officers, totally unlawfully by the Greek laws, make new "affidavits"- but, the stupid choose stupidly- they choose the officers badly- oh boys, they screwed up everything, ALL THE FORENSIC DATA. Simply because, they do not understand a single word, what they was talking about. Probably, they choose from a traffic police unit...

* How the man was temporarily saved and freed from jail- stay tuned- next time.  

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