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anonymous ip logging in forums

Discussion of legislation relating to computer forensics.
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suxnet
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anonymous ip logging in forums

Post Posted: Jul 19, 11 07:21

Hello
I am doing a research paper on cyber bullying. I am not diving into the how to do things as I am not an expert in this field. I only took an intro course. But in my paper, I am supposed to come up with possible solutions to the problem. The thing where computer forensics coming into play is laws.
My current thing Im looking into and will talk about is the old website, Juicy Campus. It was out a few years ago but has shut down. Juicy Campus has always said, based on what Ive read, that there is anonymity and no ip logging. JC states they do not keep track of a given ip with a post. How is this really possible legally? If someone made a legit threat, the police need to get the ip to get the person. Do they just go to the isp and have them pull it from a query or is a website administrator legally bound to hand over the ip address and they just dont tell the board members in order to boost their confidence in the board?
Thanks!  
 
  

hcso1510
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Re: anonymous ip logging in forums

Post Posted: Jul 19, 11 08:20

I’ve never heard of juicy campus, but I do recall a few years ago receiving a FBI bulletin regarding an anonymous website that operated like a bulletin board based in the Netherlands. It contained some of the vilest crap the internet has to offer. I’m no expert on this, so I’ll be interested to see the replies as well, but I’d say that much of what is considered being "anonymous" has to do with how a website is set up? I don’t know that there is a requirement to retain any “ip logging” so I assume that if they don’t retain it they feel it is anonymous.
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twjolson
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Re: anonymous ip logging in forums

Post Posted: Jul 19, 11 08:53

- suxnet
How is this really possible legally?


I am no expert, but why would you assume it is required? It'd be like the government requiring Walmart to check and record drivers licenses when people enter. For one, it's an invasion of privacy, and two it's government intrusion. I am not saying it isn't possible, but people would be mad.  
 
  

suxnet
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Re: anonymous ip logging in forums

Post Posted: Jul 19, 11 09:11

ISP has the address regardless and if the government wants it bad enough, they will get it.
I just dont know how the anonymous works on web board.
Yes, it would be considered an invasion of privacy. But in the case someone is making threats such as killing someone or up to terrorism, one would think there would be a way to track it. And if not, maybe there should be for those types of cases.  
 
  

pragmatopian
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Re: anonymous ip logging in forums

Post Posted: Jul 19, 11 12:28

It's fairly simple: if the site doesn't retain logs of the IP addresses of it's visitors then they're unlikely to be recoverable. Of course, you may be able to identify evidence elsewhere: if you have a clear suspect then you may be able to retrieve internet history records from their computer, or the ISP that the suspect and/or the site in question use may hold relevant data.

Requiring every website to record and retain IP records for every visitor would be too much. Our lives are over-regulated as it is.  

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Muirner
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Re: anonymous ip logging in forums

Post Posted: Jul 19, 11 19:29

- suxnet
ISP has the address regardless and if the government wants it bad enough, they will get it.


But as you mentioned in the first post, if they do not log the IP they will not know which ISP to query and attempt to uncover subscriber information. I highly doubt that a cast all net would (or could) be thrown out to provide subscriber information for everyone who visited _____ site.  
 
  

kovar
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Re: anonymous ip logging in forums

Post Posted: Jul 19, 11 19:47

Greetings,

The site probably has only one, perhaps two, upstream providers. Those providers could either log traffic, or turn on logging if ordered by the court. Many ISPs keep flow information for billing and planning purposes, which could be illuminating as well.

-David
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