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packys
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Greetings All,

I came across this today, and was curious as to the 'legality' of selling such an item

Computer Forensics Hard Drive Sample Case - Medium
http//tinyurl.com/kfjhv

And, I found the 'Easy' version in Google cache http//tinyurl.com/h3bzl

The 'items' have a disclaimer which states
"Purchasing the case does not entitle you to use any software on the media on which you have purchased."

In my opinion, this individual does not have the right to sell what I am assuming is a functioning operating system and included applications (I have seen other discussions about creating and distributing practice cases in which the problems associated with re-distributing this type of software were thought to be too great to risk)

Any other thoughts?

Christine

 
Posted : 22/05/2006 10:07 pm
packys
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My point is that he is reselling 'multiple' versions of a product or products that are licensed to someone, whether that someone is himself or someone else. It seems to me to be the equivalent of selling pirated software.
[BTW, What difference it would make if it was a Dell?]
And I would not be surprise if he were to stop at just one, if he took all of this time to create the 'scenario.'
And, here is a link to yet another version, the 'Difficult' one http//tinyurl.com/hw8ol

Christine

 
Posted : 23/05/2006 12:14 am
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Posted : 23/05/2006 3:52 am
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"Return Policy Details This item is shipped after being fully tested and briefly examined to ensure that the case is on the drive and its integrity has not been compromised. If the drive spins up upon arrival it will be considered fully functional. If the item is damaged in transit and does not power up you should pursue reimbursment from the shipping company. "

Just a thought, this return policy might suggest to me that the drive doesn't contain a bootable file system or operating system software. Maybe it's an exercise is recovering file slack and unallocated space? Just my $0.02.

 
Posted : 23/05/2006 10:23 pm
packys
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Good morning,

I realize that this disk may have been used as just for storage, and therefore not have an OS on it.

But, quoting the description, "Purchasing the case does not entitle you to use any software on the hard drive on which you have purchased. The files included with this case are 'copyrighted by the original publishing company'…All software used in this case was legal licensed to the owner and every attempt was made to utilize trial software for evidence items when possible."

So, the seller is admitting to distributing copyrighted software that is not his own! I think this guy should know better, especially because he is claiming to be certified!

And, he is reselling these cases!
http//search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZinvestigatorinstituteQQhtZ-1

C.

 
Posted : 25/05/2006 8:03 pm
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There was some question about this at some training I recently attended. Most of the big competitors in the training realm use images containing a full windows installation. I think this is absolutely necessary. Some do not put that amount of detail and work into a training image and the overall quality of the training suffers greatly.

I would assume the same constrictions (if any) would apply to using those images in a commercial venture as it would to selling them. Perhaps they possess that many licenses.

I have created and used training images for some one on one training I have conducted in the past. I greatly underestimated the amount of work involved. And by that I mean an image that contains a full Windows install, 3 different email clients, 3 different chat softwares, 2 different browsers and related records, documents and productivity applications, etc. I would not be selling them at anywhere near that price point.

You could do the same completely open source, but the training value goes down, unless of course you are teaching a class on analyzing linux systems.

 
Posted : 25/05/2006 9:24 pm
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It surely doesn't sound legal. has anyone flat out asked him in an email about it ?

-Jim

 
Posted : 30/05/2006 7:33 pm
packys
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Good afternoon,
I did send an email to the seller, and asked which OS was on the disk.
The seller replied that the drive (at least the listing I was asking about) is HFS+
This is curious, as in one of the descriptions [the 'Easy' version - http//tinyurl.com/runy5 ], the seller says that the sale includes, "A CD-R copy of Helix 1.7-03-2006"
While I have not tried to use Helix on HFS+, the documentation does not say that Helix supports that file system.

C.

 
Posted : 31/05/2006 2:13 am
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