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MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
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Some fresh news.

We are able to verify, that the Official Greek Police forensic lab make false statements, and illegally cover the First respond team unlawful search "results" by inventing the forensic soundness of the confiscated digital evidences from the scene.

These false statements are forensic in nature, and so severe, that this Forensic Lab is exposed to immediate civil litigation.

What we learn, and the volume of falsified data from the Lab is, for sure, quite exceptional event. I myself, personally, never witness a such violations.

We continued the fight.

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Posted : 11/08/2018 6:34 pm
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
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Our Lab and the second Lab involved, hold a meeting with some EU officials.
They are carefully informed about the illegal practices of the Greek Official Forensic Lab, and the unbelivable illegalities of the Greek official cyber crime police unit. They are also informed about the widespread illegal forensic practices of the Greek police cyber crime unit.
Our arguments are very carefully noticed.

We also inform these EU officials, that Greek judiciary is totally scornful about EVERY single forensic principle, which rules the admissibility of the forensic evidences in court.
We ARE INFORMED, that Greece DOES not possesses forensic criteria of admissibility of the forensic evidences in court. All is a matter of the "moral third sense of the judge". We express excitement and horror.

We INSIST about the necessity of thoroughly information of all 26 EU cyber crime units of the EU members states. We insist about rejecting any kind of cooperation with the Greek official Police cyber crime unit and Greek Official Forensic Lab, until they fully complain with the official and basic forensic principles of investigation.

The OLAF investigate, and EU will fill indictment against some Greek officials in Athens about gross financial embezzling of EU financial funds. Investigations are going on.

We continued our fight about the fair and legal use of our beloved forensic science. And the fight for the man, who start all this.

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Posted : 18/10/2018 7:35 pm
MickArneke
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We read some very interesting info. And laugh very loudly.

From the Official Greek Forensic Lab "expertise"

" We make a copies using a very famous and very known software".
" We conclude, that our equipment does not contains foreign data". How ? is not mentioned- it is a mystery!
" The time is what the user choose"- What in reality the user choose? is not mention anywhere. Actually, ALL MAC times are unknown.
" We extract THIS program activity"- The exact "activities" are not mentioned, and the software is absent- NO DATA< NO FILES< NO software at all.
" We extract activities form the "Chrome" browser, and from the "Goggle Chrome" browser". Do someone here knows "Chrome" browser to exist? We know- "Google Chrome" browser. Actually, there was not a Google Chrome, either "Chrome" actually installed on the disk mentioned. Either deleted!
"Safari is 2nd in popularity Windows OS browser"- statement is this!

From the policemen unlawful search and "examination" affidavit
" The defendant do this, do that"- from the official forensic report, there is no any evidences exist to support these statements. Actually, about two of these, the software needed to "do this, do that" IS NOT PRESENT- even deleted- no trace whatsoever. IN ANY DISK confiscated!

Some dialogues in court- first court

DL- a defendant lawyer
P-Policemen
J- Judge [ sarcastic and totally prejudiced]
Prosec -Prosecutor

DL" We insist the policemen to tell us, which exactly forbidden sites the defendant visited and when? And-form the forensic report-please show us the forensic proof of all this EXACTLY "?

P " Yes, he visited, he visited… and downloaded material from them".
DL " The names of the sites pls, and the correspondent forensic data? Which files he obtains and when?"

P 'Aaa, visited, visited. If not visited, form where he obtain these forbidden 10 files"? [the CP files in question in this case are summarily 10, all]

J "Mr. [lawer's name] If he not visited, how he obtain the files? VISITED… VISITED. There is no other way someone to obtain these files. If they are present, the defendant visited "these" sites."

DL " But, your honor, there is no data at all to support all this false statements! Where is the forensic proof?"

J "Proofs? I DO NOT NEED forensic proofs - here I see 10 files - i.e. - HE visited forbidden, sites and take the files in question from there. I already make conclusions by circumstantial evidences and by application the moral rule of evidences"- probably you do not know- in Greece, there is a such things like "moral principle of the evidences" and various nebula type of "conclusions", with which the Greek judiciary suits themselves and make any kind of fabrications type "virtual reality" possible. Actually, they support whatsoever they pleased. When someone ask- "This? from where this is proved?" the answer is " I make my conclusions applying "the moral principle of evidence and the evidential criteria of existence".

DL " But, your honor, the defendant computer is not able to write to this disk, because he have a MacOSX system- the disk is a NTFS disk!"

Prosec " Yes, I know this, BUT In a meantime, i call my friend, and ask him " It is possible?". And he tell me- by implementing some approaches-ALL is possible!"

DL "And, Mr. Prosecutor, WHICH of all of these approaches the defendant uses? Because, there is no forensic proof ANY approaches of this sort to be present in this case"

Prosec "You are so boring with all these question! I'm not so competent in forensic matters."

DL " AND HOW then you Mr. Prosecutor support all this nonsense- you just confess, that you are irrelevant about forensic matters".

Prosec " I accepted the REAL EVENTS. The forensic side of the case is irrelevant to me."

DL "Mr. prosecutor, WHAT "real events" without real forensic events is possible ever to exist? It IS possible? there is no "real event in computer forensics" without according to them "forensic artifacts". You understand this Sir, or no?"

Prosec " I judge the real events, implementing my highly moral standards. Look at the real events!".

DL " "Real events"? black cat in the dark room, especially when there is no cat in the dark room?"

DL " Hm… Judge, your Honor, In this court it is unbelievable to hear someone to make a such statements ".

J "WHY?? We have very high moral standards".

DL " BUT, this is forensic science? How these are applied??"

Judge- "Half an hour interim for coffee".

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Posted : 07/12/2018 10:11 pm
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
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Some fresh news.

After two other private labs here in December of 2018 mentioned, that they was ALSO approached in the past by some corrupted Greek high ranking persons for more elaborate "information" and tricks, about how to frame peoples with false forensic data (the info is about two old Greek cases- one of them- about famous Greek blogger/journalist, who was framed by the Greek Cyber Crime Unit with false accusation of "possession", because he post some political info on his blog, and must be punished), a full scale investigation here is started.

We also learned, that the now fired old Greek Cyber Crime Unit chief Sfakianakis in person call various persons, members of some official Greek "black lists" in the past, and threatened them with "prosecution" if hey do not follow the "right line". The prosecutions Sfakianakis tells them will begin with sudden visit and "seizure" of their digital data (the rest is for your imagination-i.e what will be "find" by the "inspections").

The 4 labs written full account about the cases to our Justice Ministry. We had also a series of meetings. Our lawyers was present too.
We also talk with our old EU contacts about what will be needed.
ALL private forensic labs here was warned NOT TO DO business with any Greek official and/or non-official forensic Lab.

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Posted : 21/01/2019 10:35 pm
TinyBrain
(@tinybrain)
Active Member

Toda raba for reporting in detail and giving an update. Your case seem to be very difficult so I hope you can relax in this chaos.

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Posted : 22/01/2019 8:59 am
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
Member

Some fresh news

End of February, and after 7 and half an hour meeting at our Ministry of Justice, we, 4 Forensic Labs, decide to sue here the high-ranked Greek Police Officer mentioned, and the two policemen, who profited from his illegal activities. We know ALL the names. How this will be implemented, is now clear.

We also propose to our ombudsmen, using EU laws and practices, to indict also one Greek prosecutor from the preliminary investigation. This prosecutor, NOT only profited from the "activity" of the aforementioned high ranking person and all this mess there, but invented evidences, falsified evidences, and promote clearly NOT valid forensic "evidences" like "legal and admissible". How exactly this will be implemented about this special category person- we will discuss in middle March.

It will be quit a achievement, if we successfully implement all this- actually, these persons do not have immunity, and it is quite easy, various legal approaches to be implemented.

We also learn about two other Greek "birds", who do the same thing with other 3 Forensic lab in OTHER EU country. At "friendly base" there, no payment… you know.

Continued to read documents from there ( documents, forensic reports, cases etc.) the pictures is quite… just not have a word to say…. bleak house.

We will fight until the end.

Thanks for all your support - personal letters in other places, forensic support, all kind of other support.

Wolfie, my dear old fired, I'm especially grateful to you for the forensic help from Norway, Denmark and Germany. We, the two of us, know well, why we work this, isn't it Wolfie? like in the beginning - " I'm not afraid of anything- bears excluded" ) . Greatly appreciated all your help!

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Posted : 03/03/2019 10:24 pm
TinyBrain
(@tinybrain)
Active Member

Stand strong, no fear! You will win my unknown friend.

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Posted : 04/03/2019 8:07 am
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
Member

Stand strong, no fear! You will win my unknown friend.

Fresh news from the front.

Our team learn, that a new Penal Code, and new Penal code of procedures in Greece was voted. The two laws was freshly voted in Parliament and will be implemented from the 1st of July 2019.

For the first time in Mediterranean country, and officially, and by the law [article 265, Penal Code of procedures], the forensic acquisition [ master copy, second copy, with hash verification] is made obligatory form of acquisition of digital evidences on the spot [crime scene]. More, it is now obligatory to present signed "Forensic form of Acquisition", in which all details must be present, and the form-appropriately signed.

This is really a huge progress. And departure from the obscure past of the Greek national cyber-crime unit. And his obscure shenanigans.

Our lawyers are in hope, that all court procedures, which are ongoing, will be terminated, if the presented digital evidences in court are not presented according to the article of the new law. And it is logical, because they will be inadmissible by the new law.

Actually, we learn, that for almost 10 years, the Greek Cyber crime Unit NEVER make acquisition with hashes on the crime scene. Either seal a digital evidence. Yes, this unit had a bad habits in the past- NEVER seal digital evidences- just transport them in an open supermarket or McDonald's bags.

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Posted : 18/06/2019 12:38 pm
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
Member

Mid October we will start our legal procedures here. With 4 labs depositions.
We tried, unsuccessfully, to involve the Greek press- no chance. The celebrity lives are more important. And the man is a foreigner.
And the Greek National cyber-crime unit REALLY lost all credibility and national confidence. Nobody cares anymore.

We learn more, about what actually happened-really disturbing things

* The Greek cyber crime unit falsify and manipulate crucial digital forensic evidences. Because they ask for judicial approval based on false, non-existence evidences. But was "shy" to retreat.

* the policeman, who was responsible for the investigation was so,sorry, incompetent, that he was not able even to write coherent review of the case. It is a total mess to read this! The one half of his expose strongly contradicts the rest. No forensic data at all. All is in the tune " We supposed, we think, we imagine that this is possible". Baseless- no evidence at all. In scope to cover this, the pages and the paragraphs of these "reviews" was not numbered, not stamped- at any time, they add or remove paragraphs or pages accordingly to what new data the judicial officials unlawfully divulged back to them.

* the investigation team and the prosecutor saw the falsified evidences at the begging, do nothing. Otherwise, the case must be promoted unlawful, and terminated immediately. In scope to cover all this, the prosecutor HIMSELF, for the second time, falsified crucial evidences-all must be put back on track, ok? And in scope to cover the highly incompetent Greek cyber-crime unit and cover their a**es, the prosecutor's office invent channels to divulge all the investigation's data back to Greek national cyber-crime unit. The unit, "refresh" accordingly their "data" and affidavits, in "real time", rewriting constantly all middle pages, keeping the first and last paragraphs intact.

* those same judicial persons divulge all the defendant's arguments back to the Greek cyber-crime unit in a real time. Plus, the defendant's arguments from his conversations with his lawyer.

* In scope to make the defendant unable to defend himself, they put him in a jail 800 km away form his home town. And constantly give him false prepaid phone cards. These cards, actually, contains zero talking time.

* The Greek judiciary divulged all the investigation's data back to the Greek-cyber crime unit without any cover or shame- WITH THEIR SIGNATURES, NAMES, STAMPS, OFFICIALLY. ALL ON PAPER. Mediterranean habits? traditions? I don't know. But so blatantly- is unique…

* The prosecutor's office ask the man to "confess" based on the second time falsified data (the prosecutor's "achievement"). Sure, the man does not confess, and spit them in the face, calling them "incompetent, stupid owls". They punish him, unlawfully prolonging his incarceration, based on TOTAL FALSE and non-existence evidences. When the man pushed them back to explain the forensic report's planted false evidences, they simply promote the forensic Lab " a genius Lab"- if in the report was written, that, in 2018, "a Greek prosecutor goes on the Moon"- ALL is accepted-the origin of the data is "aristocratically verified to be bona fides state origin, from the nucleus of the state". The defendant is a stupid nothing.

* And they prepared a "fast trial", fast-charged. And two officers, totally unlawfully by the Greek laws, make new "affidavits"- but, the stupid choose stupidly- they choose the officers badly- oh boys, they screwed up everything, ALL THE FORENSIC DATA. Simply because, they do not understand a single word, what they was talking about. Probably, they choose from a traffic police unit…

* How the man was temporarily saved and freed from jail- stay tuned- next time.

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Posted : 03/09/2019 10:40 am
athulin
(@athulin)
Community Legend

We tried, unsuccessfully, to involve the Greek press- no chance.

I'm not aware of any Innocence Project or equivalents in Greece – there is one in Italy, though. (http//italyinnocenceproject.org/)
They sometimes have press contacts that could be useful. Sometimes it's a bit of peer pressure that is needed, but perhaps I'm overly naive in this respect.

While there are authors who write on incompetent forensic work or management, they tend to stay within a particular jurisdiction – typically US or UK. I can't think of any such books or major articles from a EU or wider European perspective, though, which is probably what is wanted here.

Added or contact https://www.facebook.com/InnocenceEurope/ and ask anout possible points of contacts. There may not be fully established local chapters, but there may be individuals who have an interest.

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Posted : 03/09/2019 5:38 pm
Rich2005
(@rich2005)
Senior Member

In a rather flippant response……you could approach Netflix and get them to make a documentary about it 😉

Making a Murderer has been a smash hit and brought significant scrutiny on the shennanigans there……and this could be the sequel…..making a .

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Posted : 03/09/2019 5:45 pm
CFEx
 CFEx
(@cfex)
Member

We tried, unsuccessfully, to involve the Greek press- no chance.

I'm not aware of any Innocence Project or equivalents in Greece – there is one in Italy, though. (http//italyinnocenceproject.org/)

Perhaps Jaclaz can help Mick find the innocence project. It looks like they both were having a good exchange a while back lol

Jamie it may be time to archive this post or prevent further replies. It's going on and on and on… with no perceived value.

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Posted : 04/09/2019 11:03 pm
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
Member

We tried, unsuccessfully, to involve the Greek press- no chance.

I'm not aware of any Innocence Project or equivalents in Greece – there is one in Italy, though. (http//italyinnocenceproject.org/)

Perhaps Jaclaz can help Mick find the innocence project. It looks like they both were having a good exchange a while back lol

Jamie it may be time to archive this post or prevent further replies. It's going on and on and on… with no perceived value.

I myself provide very small updates every 2-3-4 months. Not obnoxious to anyone.
Because we fight for a good case. And all good cases needed support, understanding and FIGHT. NOT WORDS. FIGHT.
Pls, do not forget, that if you live comfortable life, other do NOT DO. Reading this is a help, understanding, information.
It is so bad?

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Posted : 05/09/2019 4:05 am
CFEx
 CFEx
(@cfex)
Member

Mick,

You asked people in this forum to help you; look at the heading, "Please, help to resolve this."
Some people tried to help you - but then somehow the entire conversation derailed, and morphed into something bizarre.

It's not that you are obnoxious, but there are different personalities in this forum and with that, the dynamics of the conversation became hilarious and weird.

Someone asked you to post your learnings from this situation. Instead of posting periodic updates, wait until all is finished and write an article about your situation. That may be more helpful than periodic updates which nobody seems to expect from you.

Anyway, if there is something I can help with, just send me a PM.

Cheers

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Posted : 05/09/2019 5:41 am
jaclaz
(@jaclaz)
Community Legend

Perhaps Jaclaz can help Mick find the innocence project. It looks like they both were having a good exchange a while back lol

Personally in a case such as this I would seriously think to apply to the EU Court for Human Rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Human_Rights

and then, with the case admitted, try to alert the news channels/press about it, even if the Greek press is not interested some other EU country ones might be.

The case seemingly evolved from being (seemingly) a case of sloppy or sub-standard investigation to being (seemingly) a giant, systemic police and court failure (and cover up) involving false statements and what not.

jaclaz

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Posted : 05/09/2019 7:25 am
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