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RolfGutmann
(@rolfgutmann)
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In an unusual request we search for a technical system to enforce car drivers distracted by mobileing. The system should identify drivers in-use of a mobile (video surveillance system).

Who knows/has in operation a proper mobile video-surveillance system to catch drivers mobileing?
Is there an unknown manufacturer globally we missed? (We run a weDIY system actually but search for the best in class solution).

Please PM-only me.

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Posted : 15/01/2018 11:56 am
jaclaz
(@jaclaz)
Community Legend

In an unusual request …

In what is it unusual? ?

It seems to me like a pretty standard one from you

Anyone knows ….

… PM only.

The only unusual part is the missing DFTC.

jaclaz

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Posted : 15/01/2018 3:22 pm
RolfGutmann
(@rolfgutmann)
Community Legend

The problem is that LEO systems are a small market and solutions often extremely expensive. But the security of pedestrians, little children and elderly people is important.

Driver Distractions is the cancer of 2018 on the streets.

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Posted : 16/01/2018 9:20 am
Bunnysniper
(@bunnysniper)
Active Member

Is there an unknown manufacturer globally we missed? .

Did you ever ask Continental or Bosch for such a camera? This would be my first idea and you would get an answer in german. Where else do the car brands buy the cams to detect tired car drivers?

Just my 2 cent.

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Posted : 16/01/2018 12:38 pm
RolfGutmann
(@rolfgutmann)
Community Legend

Good point! The drivers readiness 'sensor' (operated by Nvidida K1 in A8) we will include into Car Forensics post-crash -)

I actually search for an outside-in solution to enforce the masses of distracted drivers as it has a very bad side-effect of killing little kids after the traffic lights as switching concentration from mobile to street is slower than humans realize.

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Posted : 16/01/2018 12:50 pm
jaclaz
(@jaclaz)
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I actually search for an outside-in solution to enforce the masses of distracted drivers as it has a very bad side-effect of killing little kids after the traffic lights as switching concentration from mobile to street is slower than humans realize.

And here I am failing to understand.

Are you going to have a new Law mandating the use of the technology on private cars? (ALL cars transiting in Switzerland, much like an extension of the "vignette")

Or are you wanting to put - say - at each cross road, on the same pole as the traffic light, a camera that can automagically see if a driver approaching the intersection is distracted?

And what would happen when/if the automagical camera detects such a situation?
1) a loud horn starts blasting
2) a few weeks later the driver gets a hefty fine at home
3) a Police patrol stops the driver a few hundred meters after he haphazardly crossed the intersection while distracted
4) something else or a combination of the above

jaclaz

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Posted : 16/01/2018 2:00 pm
RolfGutmann
(@rolfgutmann)
Community Legend

1-out-of-3 is mobileing while driving low speed in-city.

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Posted : 16/01/2018 2:19 pm
jaclaz
(@jaclaz)
Community Legend

1-out-of-3 is mobileing while driving low speed in-city.

Maybe.
Still you didn't answer my questions, in a nutshell;
1) how do you envision the technology?
2) In which way it will be effective in avoiding the distraction (and the consequent hitting and killing of the poor children)?

jaclaz

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Posted : 16/01/2018 2:22 pm
JDCoulthard
(@jdcoulthard)
Member

I know this isn't an off the shelf product, but this project looks like it could be tailored to the kind of system you are talking about

Hackaday Raspberry Pi Project

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Posted : 16/01/2018 6:03 pm
RolfGutmann
(@rolfgutmann)
Community Legend

Thank you! Good idea. If you are interested in our weDIY pls PM me.

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Posted : 17/01/2018 9:15 am
bostoncelltech
(@bostoncelltech)
New Member

Here in US (Specifically New York), the State government has began looking into ways to enforce distracted driving/texting while driving laws. To that end, Cellebrite is in the process of testing a "text-a-lyzer" (along the lines of a breathalyzer or roadside alcosensor) that would allow law enforcement to quickly access your device roadside (likely a limited logical extraction of sorts) and determine if you were texting or interacting with your mobile device at the time of violation of law (officer observes mobile usage, post crash or serious injury accident, pedestrian struck).

The issue here in the States is a legal one, which questions whether the police have the right to demand you produce your mobile phone for examination without a warrant. Currently, to access a mobile device, it would require consent of the owner or a search warrant issued by a judge/magistrate (call detail records currently only require a subpoena but that legal issue has gone back and forth in recent years and is currently being considered by the United States Supreme Court again) so under the current law, an officer would not be able to require the citizen to produce the phone for examination roadside. However, states are looking to modify the licensing law to compel drivers to submit their devices for examination if there is a reasonable suspicion that the motorist was using their mobile device while driving; much the same way the state requires a motorist to submit to field sobriety tests if the officer has reasonable suspicion to believe the motorist may be operating under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. Although the citizen can refuse to perform such tests and any subsequent request to test their blood or breath to determine blood alcohol content, such refusal will result in the immediate revocation of their driving privileges for 1 year, regardless of whether they are found guilty of an underlying driving offenses that they may have been charged with. The submission of the mobile device, or refusal to do so, would likely follow under the same guidelines under current proposals.

In the case of the "text-a-lyzer" scenario though, there are serious additional privacy concerns that do not exist when discussing voluntary or involuntary submission of samples to determine blood alcohol content. Specifically, what would be visible to the officer when accessing the mobile device? What types/kinds of data is collected by the device? What if the device captures images or conversations that are sensitive? proprietary?

I realize much of the previous conversation was centered around the legal concerns with such technology but mostly I just wanted to convey that Cellebrite is actively working on a product for law enforcement here in the States.

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Posted : 17/01/2018 11:37 am
RolfGutmann
(@rolfgutmann)
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Cellebrite approach will fail.

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Posted : 17/01/2018 12:11 pm
hcso1510
(@hcso1510)
Active Member

So are we talking about a Bus company that transports children? Greyhound possibly? Over the road trucking companies? I personally don't see this as an issue as you know your being watched from the beginning and the company has a vested interest in reducing liability.

As far as consumers wanting these in their cars going forward I'd say that would be a "No Go."

Even if you had the assurance from the manufacturer that it was only capturing a 5 second loop and could not remotely be accessed I think the idea is DOA.

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Posted : 17/01/2018 4:04 pm
RolfGutmann
(@rolfgutmann)
Community Legend

To get access to the mobiles of masses to proof mobileing? Cellebrite are you kidding?

Our machine needs no access to the phone. No humans at work.

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Posted : 17/01/2018 5:48 pm
Datredil
(@datredil)
New Member

Rolf, Greenroad may has the system you are looking for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZVMnimVnUc

Best tech from Israel -)

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Posted : 22/01/2018 10:35 am
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