Greetings,
I'd want the vendor booths staffed with engineers, not sales people. I got really frustrated by a few vendors at DOD Cybercrimes who didn't provide any technical staff to handle detailed questions.
I'd want technical sessions which *are* technical, not just sales pitches for a product. I really dislike paying good money to be a semi-captive audience for a sales pitch.
Breakout and Birds of a Feather sessions.
Accurate advertising. The vendors list should reflect the vendors who will be there. The session presenters should be the ones listed.
-David
David, absolutely agree! Salesmen are the least helpful when asking real questions. … Of course, a few saleswomen would not hurt… oops
The vendor list is hard. They change on and off all the time, but I guess those who pay "are in" . . .
Hmmm… We could definitely use a good forensic conference and show.
How about we give some constructive feedback?
Wait you offer assistance instead of complaints?
I find it extremely frustrating that a group of talented individuals with the natural knack for problem solving would not offer to help in the areas that they see problems. From online and offline conversations a large challenge that I have shared with many here is the lack of awareness of the industry - shows and conferences can be a great way to raise the needed awareness.
Frank will be the first to tell you of the problems he has had trying to get the show going and the areas in the past he has had challenges with in execution that has resulted in some poor reviews. At least he is making the effort.
I am curios how many have actually reached out to people involved with this or any other computer forensic or infosec show to actually make the hands on effort to help. Passive aggressive comments and criticism hidden over the Internet are lot easier than actually getting out there and putting your name on something to make an impact.
Greetings,
Please note that, when asked, we did chime in with suggestions.
Please also note that Frank made his own bed, as it were. Many of us had bad experiences with the show in the past and we're entitled to some cynicism. It is well founded. Given his track record, why should any of us risk putting our names, money, or time on the conference?
I provided feedback to both LegalTech and DOD Cybercrimes this year. Did you attend either?
I don't see a lack of conferences, personally. There are more than I can attend. As I mentioned, I went to LegalTech and DOD Cybercrimes. I'll probably miss CEIC, I'm going to try to make the SANS Forensics Summit, and hopefully BlackHat/Defcon. That's four I'll make. I'll miss CEIC, LegalTech West, the Paraben conference, and who knows what else.
I'm not lacking for conferences, I'm lacking funds and time to attend what is out there. Given this, and Frank's poor track record, why should I invest in his conference?
I think you'll find most of the complaints to be well founded and your charge that they are passive/aggressive is probably off the mark. As for criticism hidden over the Internet, I'd say the same in person, but this is the forum we're in so here's where the criticism is.
And finally, as for "getting out there and putting your name on something to make an impact", how many people on this forum have written articles, designed tools, released distros, authored papers, and posted numerous posts to this and other forums to help make an impact.
-David
David,
Well noted.
Agreed there are many other good conferences and people should invest there time and funds where appropriate.
I did attend and work with clients and vendors at Legal Tech and am just trying to volunteer help with the Computer Forensics Show because I feel that there is genuine passion there to make it a good event. I apologize for the defensiveness.
Cynicism is just something in general that bothers me. We have seen many products and people over the past few years take their hits and miss their marks and I sometimes see the reactions as more critical than constructive.
David, you in fact did lay out some very good points to make it better and if some of the negativity from other areas spilled over to here I do apologize.
There are a lot of people here that contribute to make the industry better and I commend them. I just would hate the idea of others who want to do the same be somewhat gun shy if they feel that if their efforts are not on the mark all the time they will be met with negativity. I am not saying we all have to get along all the time but I would hope that public grievances are also taken up directly as well to point he individual in the right direction.
Once again Frank Manley has outdone himself, he managed to have an even worse show than ever. It was held in a building that you could barely find, even as a seasoned investigator.
The exhibitor's hall was sparce and the exhibitors were wandering around with cups of coffee in their hands yawning.
Again, as always a number of lecturers were a "NO SHOW"
The lectures were held on the same floor as wholesale to the trade furnishings of glass and other commercial interests.
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Hopefully we will be spared and this will be the last show that Frank has!
Once again Frank Manley has outdone himself, he managed to have an even worse show than ever. It was held in a building that you could barely find, even as a seasoned investigator.
The exhibitor's hall was sparce and the exhibitors were wandering around with cups of coffee in their hands yawning.
Again, as always a number of lecturers were a "NO SHOW"
The lectures were held on the same floor as wholesale to the trade furnishings of glass and other commercial interests.
[Moderated]
Hopefully we will be spared and this will be the last show that Frank has!
That's some review. )
… Maybe i should change my last name(Manley), I hope it wont get caught in your filter lol. Kinda wierd seeing someone with the same last name as me in Forensics, not many with the same spelling<-Joking btw.
Anyway I attend HTCIA conferences and have found them to be very educational. Ohio has conferences each year with venders like FTK and Paraben (http//
Hope it helps in your search for training,
Ryan Manley
Wise Forensics LLC
I'm in the general NYC Metro area so it would be nice to have a reoccurring local digital forensic conference that is decent, but as David pointed earlier in the discussion, there are already plenty of good options.
These conferences aren't easy to plan and execute. However, there are a variety of organizations that have become skilled at doing them.
HTCIA always puts on a great show with a lot of great speakers and vendors. Honestly, just being able to attend one of Andy Rosen's presentations is worth the price of attending an HTCIA conference.
This year is going to be my first CEIC conference and Guidance is nice enough to allow me to present (so full disclosure). I've heard many good things about the conference from people who have attended in the past so I'm really looking forward to this year's conference.
I'm hoping to attend the DoD Cybercrime conference next year and I've heard plenty of nice things about that conference. The speakers line up from this past year's conference, for example, looked like an all-star cast.
The SANS Institute really knows how to put on a show also. Their conferences tend to be traditional training conferences where you are there for a specific training program and the conference is built around that singular training experience. I'm a huge SANS advocate so I'm looking forward to attending my first major SANS conference this year when I attend SANSFIRE in Baltimore.