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pgrantuk
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Hi

After years in the IT field, I’ve decided that Computer forensics is a area I would like to move into. I've decided to do the MSc and move into the field this way.
Looking around at my option's and reading on this forum it looks like Cranfield is the best place to study part time, but my question is, is it worth the 15K or is it better to wait until Portsmouth start their course next Sept that will only cost 4.5K?
Is Cranfield that much more respected in the Computer Forensics field that you are more likely to get a better job with more money making the investment worth it?

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks

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Posted : 19/09/2005 2:36 pm
Jonathan
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I have done a module of the MSc at the Cranfield; I'd say the knowledge and practical real-world expereince of the tutors there is second to none, you're talking world authorties in some areas and as such the course is very highly regarded within the forensic community

The only downside is the environment and facilities as at the Royal Military College of Science at Shrivenham…. basic to say the least. I don't know anything about the course at Portsmouth, but you should enquire about the people running the course and their background. If they seem reasonable, then, to be honest, it may well be worth going there and saving your 10k.

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Posted : 19/09/2005 3:01 pm
pgrantuk
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Thanks for the reply Jonathon
Has anyone else on the forum studied at Cranfield or any other UK Uni offering the MSc? any info you could give me of your experiences of the course that could help me choose the best one to go for would be really helpful

Thanks

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Posted : 22/09/2005 8:45 pm
Singularity
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Hi there,

I've also been enquiring about this course. I've had all the details sent back to me and it looks like a great course but I was a bit shocked about the cost. I've missed this years intake so I would have to wait until March 2007 so I have a while to think about it.

The problem I have is that I will be paying for the course myself and it seems a lot of money. That and the fact it will be four years till I graduate, I was thinking about other routes into computer forensics. 15k could buy an awful lot of books and short courses.

I spoke to my other half and she's happy for me to do the course providing it is worthwhile. I currently work in IT as a programmer and have done so for the past eight years but I've started thinking about getting into CF.

pgranuk, have you decided whether to do the course or not yet?

Pete

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Posted : 03/03/2006 7:35 pm
Webbie
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Like Jonathan, I attended at Cranfield and completed a module, and theoretically it was first class, the instructors were excellent (Prof Sammes - world renown), but the facilities were quite poor (2002). The University of Glamorgan in South Wales run a part time MSc in Info Sec & Computer Crime which I have attended. I have personally completed all the modules on this course (6 - each a week long), I believe the modules cost £1150 and the final project costing £1800, therefore the total cost is around £8700. I personally thought the course quite good. Details can be found at http//www.glam.ac.uk/coursedetails/685/549.

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Posted : 08/03/2006 8:44 pm
emmawebbhobson
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I did the Information Security MSc at royal Holloway College, University of London (£4.5k). Again this is a very well respected course, although covering a wider range of subjects including hardware security, network security, datebase security, computer crime etc.

Forensics is not even a main module on the course, but I'd still recommend it for several reasons. A lot of jobs don't require a degree in forensics per se, but a degree in a related field. The Information Security degree gives you better all round knowldge making you more appealing to a wider range of employers.

You may feel at this stage that you want to practice forensics, but how will you feel if you spend £15k on a course to find out you don't like it, or you can't get a job, or computer forensics doesn't exist in four years because everyone encrypts their hard drives!

My personal recommendation would be to do a course like this, I think with your experience and this qualification you could walk into a broad range of top paying jobs. If, on the other hand, you have your heart set on forensics and really do want ot do a specific forensics course, then yes, cranfield is the best. I suppose it depends really on where you are based…

P.S. The link to the Information Security Group at Royal Holloway is http//www.isg.rhul.ac.uk/

Emma

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Posted : 09/03/2006 1:40 pm
neddy
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Having experience of the two week Foundation Course in Forensic Computing run by Profesor Sammes, Brian Jenkins, Geoff Fellows and manged by Lindy Sheppard at Cranfield University, I can say that if the quality of the foundation course is an indicator of the quality of the MSc course then it would be money well spent.
The two week foundation course is an eye opener for even the relatively experienced analyst and is presented with such comprehensive skill and authority that it should be an essential waypoint for every forensic computing analyst.

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Posted : 18/01/2009 1:13 am
Beetle
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I did the Information Security MSc at royal Holloway College, University of London (£4.5k). Again this is a very well respected course, although covering a wider range of subjects including hardware security, network security, datebase security, computer crime etc.

So did I! Looks like I found a fellow alumnus…

I went through the DL and finished in '06.

I did this one as it was the only DL available with a specific computer crime module at the time. I agree that it gives you a very well rounded view of the issues. After all, the forensics end comes in once the crime has occured and you need to be able to recognise the vulnerabilities in order to figure out how a breach or event was perpetrated. I am also finding that the advanced crypto is becoming more relevant in our agency case load. The computer crime module actually used two tutors from Cranfield and one of them (Martin Warren) ended up being my project supervisor.

Ron

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Posted : 19/01/2009 8:40 pm
jgoss
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UCD (University College Dublin) offers an MSc in Computer Forensics that I am currently doing. A fair few of the well known names in UK computer forensics have done it, and its much more reasonably priced than some courses

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Posted : 19/01/2009 8:48 pm
ronanmagee
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UCD (University College Dublin) offers an MSc in Computer Forensics that I am currently doing. A fair few of the well known names in UK computer forensics have done it, and its much more reasonably priced than some courses

Like wise Dublin City University offers a similar course. If you're in the EU fees are subsidised from memory. Details here for fulltime or part time. Part time is online based I believe.

Ronan

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Posted : 19/01/2009 9:51 pm
3shirts
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7Safe now offer a MSc program that includes very good training at their own facility

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Posted : 23/01/2009 2:11 pm
Jamie
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7Safe now offer a MSc program that includes very good training at their own facility

How do you know this, 3shirts?

Jamie

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Posted : 23/01/2009 5:14 pm
Blackrat
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Like many who have posted on this topic I have trained at Cranfield and in fact am about to commence the Msc this February. I would agree that the training given at Cranfield is first rate. As far as an MSc in computer forensics goes the MSc at Cranfield is well renowned in the community its high standards for training and requirements for admission to the MSc. Many will say an MSc is an MSc but there are those in the community that will tell you an MSc from Cranfield carries a lot more kudos, especially where employment is considered.

As far as fee's go, it does not cost anywhere near £15,000. It is at least around half that now. Although you do have to consider accommodation costs for the modules you are required to attend.

I have looked at many of the MSc programs being offered and there are quite a few out their now, but a lot of them are or were just computer based programs with a computer forensics module thrown in. You need to look at all the modules being offered before making a decision. The price should not be the main motivator in choice.

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Posted : 23/01/2009 5:42 pm
finbarr
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It's worth having another look at Cranfield - the MSc course is kept updated with some of the older modules being dropped and new ones created. The prices have revised downwards to be much more competitive with other courses too. I believe you can do the full three years for around 7~8 thou now.

Cheers,
John.

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Posted : 05/04/2009 1:02 am
rhall47
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It absolutely is worth every penny. It's a six week course crammed into two weeks residential course. The lecturers are among the best in their field, former Police Detectives that we at the very beginnings of Computer Forensics.

The venue was at the Defense Academy in Shrivenham and I must say that it was a fantastic site with students from GCHQ, Military, Law Enforcement and people like myself from the commercial sector.

After two weeks of long hours you need a few months to fully absorb what you have learnt but I don't think you could have wanted more from a superb course,

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