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(@mitch)
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I am personally disgusted in this, can we all as a community please sign this petition to get these kind of sentencing changed.

http//petitions.pm.gov.uk/protectminors/

should be live monday i hope

Stiffen the punishments meted out against child offenders. Something is gravely wrong when a headmaster of a primary school who admitted to taking indecent photographs of children, possessing more than 100,000 images of child exploitation, receives only a 2 year jail sentence and a ban with working with children for the rest of his life.
A headmaster is in a position of 'trust', viewing abuse images alone is a serious crime, that he was doing this while interacting with a school full of minors makes it egregious. New research from America reported in the New York Times (See Debate on Child Pornography’s Link to Molesting July 19, 2007) suggests that the up to 85 percent of men who view explicit sexual images of children are also child molesters with offences ranging from inappropriate touching to rape.
As long as judges think a wrist slapping is all that is called for, the abuse of children will continue to be a significant societal issue in this country. This kind of sentence is an insult and should be changed to reflect the gravity of the crime. Review and strengthen the sentencing regarding the possession of Child Pornography


   
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(@mitch)
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PS if you would like to add the link to other websites please do


   
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PS if you would like to add the link to other websites please do

100% agree!!! Wishy washy sentencing should be stopped and these people dealt with correctly!

There are more similar petitions on the same site at the following.

http//petitions.pm.gov.uk/list/open?cat=564


   
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 kern
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The entire law system, in the UK at least, is long overdue a rework.
Many laws are arcane, and inappropriate. many times too , a judges hands are bound by the limits set out.
Many judges are also seen as doddering old f*rts out of touch with real life issues. Yrs back it was rape leniency that hit the papers. "if young women go about dressed like that then they are inviting attention, a man simply can't help himself ……. blah"

and then there's pastors/vicars/priests protected by their own pastoral care outside of the national law system. "move him on, the problem will go away."

AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

/me wanders off having kicked the soapbox away.


   
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(@rich2005)
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(joining in the spirit of the ranting…)
I'd like a proper rework like kern, at least in the case of IIOC, the SAP guidelines are insane, and most of the time as you're grading as a best guess/opinion the age of someone, all the various age brackets now seem somewhat pointless to say the least, and produce a ton more hassle if followed to the letter. And then after all the rooting through all this stuff, and to have it accepted its all there and illegal, but get punished weakly is a bit of a slap in the face for those trying to stop it. ( Why spend the huge amount of time, money and effort, for something thats ultimately going to result in little protection of the public, or punishment for the crime, as it seems to be.


   
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Hi,

There is a danger for some of us who have been working in law enforcement for a while to forget how shocked we were at the leniency of sentencing when we started out. An unfortunate sign of 'experience' in this field is for us to no longer be surprised by the sentences given.

Too often I fall into this trap myself and like many other frustrations I might have, tend to divert my efforts to things I believe I can change. I don't think given the state of society in Britain right now and the number of prison places available we should expect to see harsher sentences given out. In fact I think there is pressure to give out fewer and shorter custodial sentences accross the board.

This isn't just an issue with child protection cases. I have seen GBH with intent after a trial lead to only a 2 year sentence. I have seen a man walk away from court after a trial for GBH with no custodial sentence. Let's not forget how serious GBH is. Serious wounding, resulting in life theatening injuries and/or permanent physical damage (not wording from the actual act).

Considering the offender typically serves half or two-thirds of his or her sentence (depending on the length of it) and on top of that may well qualify for an early release scheme, it's possible for 2 years to end up being just 7 months. Another case of mine involving a paedophile who committed multiple rapes of a girl, had a large collection of the worst images, had filmed himself raping the girl and emailed it to several people. He had also tried to groom another girl and had over a period of months given advice to other paedophiles on how to abuse children and get away with it received just 6 years. They were trying to get him released early after just 19 months.

These figures are all from real cases I have full knowledge of.

I commend all who more vigourously pursue this cause than I have done. It needs to be done but the reality is, it will require a lot more than a petition to be signed. I do not believe even 20 million signatures will in any way alter the current regime when it comes to law and order in Britain.

Sorry it's such a negative post. I think one thing is for sure and that is nobody is going to suggest sentencing is either harsh or about right in this country.

Steve


   
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(@mitch)
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Steve

I do agree with you to a point, society now i feel "there is no respect" but how can society in general demand respect when justice fails.

In my opinion there are 100,000+ victims there and not one of them have been shown any respect, expecially when they need it the most.

Steve I think if 20million people did sign this then yep something would get done.

Link is live now BTW

http//petitions.pm.gov.uk/protectminors/


   
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 kern
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This is like the naughty step punishment with children.
The child is isolated repeatedly until it conforms to acceptable behaviour, at which point it can return to play.

This is where "longer on the naughty step" remedy falls down

The naughty step is now full of other naughty children and has become
"The University of Naughty Children"

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and had over a period of months given advice to other paedophiles on how to abuse children and get away with it

So we think longer at TUNC would be better ?

Punishments don't need to be extended, they need to be completely reassessed. Rehabilitation & Continuing Assessment must form part of any remedy if we expect the miscreant to return to society regardless of when. The sheer quantity of people re-offending is testament to the fact that this isn't being addressed with sufficient vigour.

This from a guy who once belonged to the "just hang the b****rds problem solved" camp.

/rant off

Kern


   
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In the United States it is not much better, see below

WASHINGTON, Oct. 30 (UPI) – The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday began hearing an appeal of a Florida man arrested for possession of child pornography.

Michael Williams of Key Largo, Fla., was arrested in May 2004 after he allegedly took part in several exchanges with an undercover agent in an adult chat room on the Internet.

In 2003, Congress allowed agents to arrest anyone for advertising, promoting, presenting, distributing or soliciting material in a manner that is "intended to cause another to believe" the material is illegal child pornography, even if it's computer-generated and not real children.

John Feldmeier, a political science professor at Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio., who helped file a friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of the Free Speech Coalition, a trade association for the adult-entertainment industry, told the Christian Science Monitor the 2003 law was too vague and intrusive.

"It enters into an area that should be 100 percent off-limits to any form of government regulation," Feldmeier said. "Government should not be regulating the mind." twisted


   
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Punishments don't need to be extended, they need to be completely reassessed. Rehabilitation & Continuing Assessment must form part of any remedy if we expect the miscreant to return to society regardless of when. The sheer quantity of people re-offending is testament to the fact that this isn't being addressed with sufficient vigour.

Last year I spoke with a psychotherapist of 20 years experience who told me that, early in his career, he spent some time counseling pedophiles in prison. He quit after two years when he came to believe that these individuals cannot be cured.

I regret not taking the opportunity to ask him, but I pose this question to the forum If pedophiles cannot be cured, what should we as a society do with them?


   
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