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minime2k9
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Hi,

I have two DVD's recovered which appear to be blank.
However these DVD's were hidden in such a way that you would think someone had a reason too and also had writing on which makes me think they contain data.
When I put them in a DVD drive, they show as blank, tried 3 different OS (Win7, Win XP and Ubunutu) and 4 different DVD drives.
However FTK is unable to read the drive as is WinHex / X-ways.
I'm wondering if these could be encrypted or created by a program which "hides" the DVD's as blank.
Does anyone have any experience/thoughts on this?


   
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(@ddewildt)
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Do they look like they have data written to them? It should be physically visible on the disc, they will slightly change colour where the data has been written.


   
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minime2k9
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Sorry missed that out of original post. There is no color change along the disk, so I'd guess either completely empty or completely written.


   
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(@ddewildt)
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You should be able to compare the colour to a blank DVD and see if its the same (obviously make sure they are close as possible to the same disc make etc)

My other suggestion would be to try a tool that tells you about the physical make up of the disc. For example, ImgBurn has a discovery mode that shows you information like the amount of sectors written to on the disc. See example below;

HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH40N NV02 (ATA)
Current Profile DVD+R

Disc Information
Status Incomplete
State of Last Session Empty
Erasable No
Sessions 2
Sectors 1,480,272
Size 3,031,597,056 bytes
Time 3285872 (MMSSFF)
Free Sectors 812,784
Free Space 1,664,581,632 bytes
Free Time 1803909 (MMSSFF)
Next Writable Address 1482320
Supported Write Speeds 4x, 8x, 12x, 16x


   
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(@mscotgrove)
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Are they DVD-R or DVD-RW?

I have seen DVD-RW that when viewed in a normal DVD drive show every sector as zeros. However, in a modified drive I could recover the information.

A quick erased DVD-RW will display as blank - and this can be viewed only with special hardware.


   
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Passmark
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There is no color change along the disk, so I'd guess either completely empty or completely written.

Even if it was completely full, there should still be a colour change near the center and outside rim compared to a blank disk.

Also in the clear plastic inner ring in a micro-font you might find some details as to who made the disk (if it isn't obvious from the other writing on the disc).


   
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minime2k9
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However, in a modified drive I could recover the information.

A quick erased DVD-RW will display as blank - and this can be viewed only with special hardware.

What do you mean by modified drive? They are DVD-R, but it's still probably worth a look at.


   
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As Passmark said, normally it is very clear how full a DVD is, though there are some DVDs that look the same written and blank.

As the DVD looks and acts as blank, and is a DVD-R I would not suspect that the data has been hidden intentionally. If programs such as Isobuster will not see any signs of data, then I doubt that someone hiding data would beable to see any data either.

minime2k9 please check your PM


   
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