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jimmy
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Can date n time of a file recovered from USB Pen Drive authenticated?

I have come across a recent case where in the evidence has been challenged.

As we all know the system date n time can be altered, hence how do we authenticate the date n time of the files dumped on a pendrive.

Example I have created a file on a computer using MS word, but before creating a Document I have back dated the system time n date. Now i create a document and dump it on a USB pen drive. How will you authenticate such an evidence? in other words how do we authenticate such a files integrity?


   
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Can date n time of a file recovered from USB Pen Drive authenticated?

I have come across a recent case where in the evidence has been challenged.

As we all know the system date n time can be altered, hence how do we authenticate the date n time of the files dumped on a pendrive.

Example I have created a file on a computer using MS word, but before creating a Document I have back dated the system time n date. Now i create a document and dump it on a USB pen drive. How will you authenticate such an evidence? in other words how do we authenticate such a files integrity?

You're mixing your terminology.

You can "authenticate" the "evidence" in this case through thorough analysis of the system and of the thumb drive.

File integrity is a different question entirely…usually answered through chain of custody, hashes, etc.


   
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jimmy
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Thanks for the quick response!

I need to find out the date on which it was originally created, i dont have any other device but the pendrive.


   
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Good luck. Even the metadata within the file gets populated by the system clock…change that, and you change the values embedded in the file.


   
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jimmy
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So are you trying to say there is no way out on this problem?


   
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What Harlan says is that all the dates and times you're going to find have been set by a computer clock. On a full system, there are means to find evidence about time alteration but on a thumb drive, it's difficult to fight the defense "maybe the computer clock wasn't set properly" …


   
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jimmy
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Yes i did get your point thanks for the clearification. is there a way to Find out which OS was used to create a Documnet


   
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If you're referring to MS Word documents, yes. The DVD that comes with my book has a Perl script that will tell you, among other things, whether Windows or Mac was used to create or modify a Word document.


   
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jimmy
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Ok now i am a little more curious to know whats the name of the book, how does it check it any idea?


   
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> …curious to know whats the name of the book

Windows Forensic Analysis

> how does it check it any idea?

Of course…I wrote the tool. It queries the binary contents of the file, and reads a specific setting at a specific offset.


   
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