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CopyRight
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Hi Guys,

This time im back with something unique lets see how we can get round this.

So for some reason i am to analyze a car camera. Its a 2010 Land Cruiser from "Toyota", they claim that whenever the gear is shifted to (R- Reverse) the camera on the car screen is enabled so that the driver can view his surroundings to avoid any collision. The dealer has claimed that the car takes automatic snapshots from every video (whenever the car is put into Reverse mode).

So we asked them if theres a way to find out where those screenshots are saved i.e memory of the car, and the answer was "We don't know, we will have to contact the mother company".

Has anyone got any clue where the memory of the car is located, so we can investigate what does it include (i.e images, location etc… ) .

Cheers

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Topic starter Posted : 25/03/2014 1:35 pm
kbertens
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Just to be clear. On which screen are the camera's shown?
I've seen navigation systems with the possibility to attach a camera. I would search for snapshots/video's on the navigation system if that's the case.

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Posted : 25/03/2014 3:55 pm
CopyRight
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Yeah it shows in the navigation screen, so how can I extract those snapshots from the navigation systems? How do i pull the data ?

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Topic starter Posted : 26/03/2014 10:31 am
kbertens
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Depends on the navigation system of course.
I would recommend to find out what system it is, normally it isn't made by the car manufacturer.
Maybe you can find information about the system on the internet.
The navigation system can be equipped with a harddrive (newer models), the 'older' ones has some kind of flash memory.

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Posted : 26/03/2014 10:55 am
badgerau
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Hi

There is no way for the driver/consumer to view these 'snapshots'. I have verified this on a Toyota Hilux, which has the same camera as the Cruiser.

I am not the owner of the vehicle and have not inspected the camera unit (which is is also the main display for the radio, mobile phone etc).

I would be interested to learn your findings as this is of interest to me too.

Thanks

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Posted : 26/03/2014 11:44 am
kbertens
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There is probably no way to view the snapshots as a consumer, but as a forensic investigator….

@Badgerau, do you have information about the navigation system. any HD inside?

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Posted : 26/03/2014 12:16 pm
badgerau
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I have requested access to the vehicle but it may take a few days before I can report back.

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Posted : 26/03/2014 12:48 pm
CopyRight
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I have requested access to the vehicle but it may take a few days before I can report back.

Yeah , sure once i've done anything new i'll keep you guys posted, i find this relatively interesting..

So basically, if the car has a navigation that deals with (NAND chips) then JTAG and Chip offs are the only ways of aquisition, however if the CAR has a (HARD DRIVE) methods of aquisitions are much simpler.

have a look at this Vehicle Forensics
If anyone comes up with something new please let us know.

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Topic starter Posted : 27/03/2014 8:23 am
badgerau
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Had a look at the car today and could not find any USB ports. Without taking the dashboard apart I was not able to determine if/where the hard drive is located, but I would assume it may be part of the CMS as the GPS is integrated into this system too.

I only had an hour with the vehicle.

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Posted : 27/03/2014 12:10 pm
jhup
 jhup
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Have you considered using the OBD or UPA port, instead of USB?

It might fall under driver's supplementary vehicle instrumentation, or vehicle telematics. Newer Intelligent Parking Assist Systems (IPAS) ties directly into OBD because it needs to know of the gear position, and steering wheel turn for projection curve (curved guidelines).

You can get an OBD & UPA to USB kits for less than $10.

There is even a Bluetooth version, where data goes to an Android phone.

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Posted : 27/03/2014 3:56 pm
CopyRight
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So i had a conversation with the dealer in my country, they've explained that J TACS are responsible of installing entertainment systems in all Toyota cars (i.e navigation), however the camera has been installed locally in our country (Rock Optics), and they confirm that these cameras do not save any snapshots within the media thats presented with the navigation system as its a independent UNIT.

Grrr..

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Topic starter Posted : 31/03/2014 3:46 pm
jhup
 jhup
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… and you believe them? I am sure you need a Toyota LandCruiser to examine. I believe "Magnetic Gray Metalic" color option is necessary for the best video quality.

mrgreen

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Posted : 31/03/2014 5:42 pm
kbertens
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@Copyright I've investigated a navigation system coming from a BMW vehicle.
The manufacturer of the system told me the harddisk within the navigation system wasn't used to store userdata.
However it contained Bluetooth connection and synchronization information (addressbook etc) of the connected phones.

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Posted : 31/03/2014 7:03 pm
JuicyCarp
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This is a great topic! I have previously attempted to explore (on a very limited bases) the data stored within later model vehicles, and ran into the same problems you are running into. At the service (dealer) level, technicians have no clue where a hard drive or source of memory is stored on the vehicle, and at the corporate (manufacturer) level, they refuse to provide such “proprietary” information.

It seems logical to me that the vehicle is storing data somewhere. With my smartphone I can check diagnostics on my vehicle such as how much gas is in the tank, oil pressure, and even the level of PSI in each tire. This information has to be stored somewhere. Not to mention the information stored in the GPS unit such as recent routes and destinations. It has been my goal for some time now to crack the car code, and find this data, but I get sidetracked easily!

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Posted : 31/03/2014 10:46 pm
ludlowboy
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About 10 years ago my wife had an Audi that was on a long life service schedule. I had it serviced at an Audi dealer and it showed 10,000 miles to next service. (She only drove about 4,000 miles a year so 10,000 seemed about right).

Within 4 months the car had done less than 2,000 miles and the indicator was showing service due.

I booked an appointment and then went back to the Audi dealer to try and find out what was happening.

A guy came out to the car connected a laptop to the diagnostics port and started examining the data. I could see that it contained details of every time the car was started and stopped, how long the engine had been running and lots of other information.

He said that there was a fault and reset the service indicator.

What struck me was the amount of information stored on the computer of a (now) 12 year old Audi.

I believe that there must be a lot more information available on modern cars that is only being accessed and used by motor service personnel.

The problem seems to be that motor manufacturers and dealers either do not know or will not say what is in their cars.

I remember working on a kidnap case, about 6 years ago, in which a Range Rover was used. I located the on board sat nav and discovered that it was manufactured in Canada. Neither Range Rover or the sat nav manufacturer would help. In the end I resorted to the old method of taking screen shots of the head unit.

I wish you all the best with your investigation and would be interested in hearing how you progress.

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