sandy I accept you have views and very glad you expressed them here.
I wont agree with you though where you express views based on an unsound approach which is not logical. You say because you haven't seen something or at least were not aware about it, you dismiss it as 'scare mongering'.
Mobile phones have nothing to prove to you, it is up to you to keep "up-to-date" and be "historically" aware too; assuming you remain in our profession, as opposed to perhaps sticking with computer forensics which you are one of the many players in your industry.
The logical approach here is that you simply do not have sufficient experience to qualify the matter and therefore it would be sageous to make a note and keep it in reserve ready for when the day might demonstrate a problem to which you are expected to give an opinion about it.
Lastly, there wont be any dumbing down of mobile phone examination or evidence just because you're not prepared to stay with the subject long enough.
Perhaps you can say why you have not suggested 'computer forensics' should be dumbed down? Being difficult and/or elitist?
I never said dumb it down - I said we should be making efforts to simplify it and not over complicate it. I made analogies to the early computer forensic industry were there were some people who wanted to make it all sound like a black art.
Its up to us all to keep up to date.
If we took that portion of your quote at face value (not having a dig but that is what we are talking about) then some readers might think that pulling the battery would/could start a controlled shutdown. This is unlikely to be the case.
Just because something can be done doesn't mean that it has or will if something is a possibility that has not been seen then I think it is encumbant on us all to explain that when posting - otherwise it is scare mongering.
The logical approach here is that you simply do not have sufficient experience to qualify the matter and therefore it would be sageous to make a note and keep it in reserve ready for when the day might demonstrate a problem to which you are expected to give an opinion about it.
Lastly, there wont be any dumbing down of mobile phone examination or evidence just because you're not prepared to stay with the subject long enough.
Please try not to resort to personal attacks because someones opinion does not meet with your own.
sandy
I fully accept you have an opinion and I will argue for you or anyone else to have the right to speak your/their mind. Equally others have the right to disagree with you.
Your misjudgment about constructive opinion being raised to you that you now infer are personal comments is entirely misplaced on your part. Please don't you get personal.
'Simplifying' is 'dumbing down' because you are showing you don't fully understand what we have to go through in our work and where all mobile phone examiners (me included) are prepared to learn and continue to learn, you suggest you want it simple.
I speak with many computer forensic people who fully admit you cannot underplay mobile phone evidence because it is nothing like imaging HDDs.
No one is getting personal, especially me. It is about you not appreciating the technical complexity of the job we do and it is extremely disappointing you try an emotional slight inference in an attempt to gain favour for your opinion. Try and understand what we have to understand on a daily basis. please, it would be greatly appreciated. We don't need your implied unqualified suggestions we are 'scare mongering', 'difficult' and 'elitist'? Work with us, not against us.
Please re read your own and my posts. As you don't seem to be able to discuss this without making it personal then the discussion is ended.
You did not qualify why you suggest mobile phone examiners are "scare mongering", "difficult" and "elitist", which I think was a very incredibily unfair statement. I did ask you twice for a qualification about that. You clearly did not retract the remark or make it clear what you meant, leaving it open to be construed by the outside world. You clearly weren't making those comments about me, otherwise you would have been making personal remarks about me from the outset, which somewhat contradicts your claims of me being personal.
This thread isn't at an end, but I think it is best our particular discussion comes to an end because we appear to be two ships passing in the night.
You did not qualify why you suggest mobile phone examiners are "scare mongering", "difficult" and "elitist",
Oh dear - final comment for anyone who reads the above - I didnt say that - please reread my posts.