Great references and pointers.
The scale is for internal use, and for the purpose of not have to reproduce the images for internal reports.
Once I come up with a scale, the report can just present the scale with explanation, then state the quantity of materials falling into each level.
It will be a sort of COPINE/SAP/ESRB rating content descriptor mix of sort.
Thanks.
forensicakb,
And here I was thinking nobody was reading my posts.
I’m not really sure what your issue with me is, but it pleases me to know that there are good people like yourself keeping people like me in balance. I guess the printed word means a lot on this forum because you sure do take what I type literally rather than reading between the lines to detect my tongue and cheek tone? Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s my perception.
I can promise you that if you knew me you would find that I am not some overzealous bull dog with a badge. I do understand Rights and I respect them. That being said I don’t have a neon sign on my front door or hanging from my rearview mirror that says “Will submit to warrantless search at any time.”
I can accept just about everything, but for me CP is a deal breaker. Every person in this forum has some sort of a fetish whether they want to admit it or not. There is something out there that will get each and every one of us salivating like Pavlov’s dog.
When I was growing up and sneaking looks at my Dads porno mags I noticed in the back there were advertisements where I could call and talk to a lady who would be dressed in leather or lace. (Or so I thought) This is done to give people options to satisfy their fetish. I believe it would be a safe assumption that those that had a leather fetish didn’t make many calls to the lace line and vice versa.
As I said I believe CP is a deal breaker. If that is what someone needs to get off then it is my opinion they are broken and can’t be fixed!
You could be locked up for twenty years for eating a ham sandwich and told with a soft soothing voice, “turkey”, is much better for you than that nasty old ham. When you get out what are you going to go eat?
Is the term CP not somewhat prejudicial in a sense? Maybe we should change the term to “socially unacceptable” images or videos. Then we could debate for years over what socially acceptable is. I don’t know if we agree that the term CP is prejudicial, but if we do, now we're just haggling over how much prejudicing we will allow. I’m not suggesting that a jury should see all one thousand images if someone had that many, but I believe they should be made to see a good representation of the evidence to include the worst of the worst. I do get frustrated with the legal system when evidence is presented and a Defense Attorney is standing there saying they don’t want the Jury to see the evidence. I guess that makes sense in some people’s books.
I understand that there are those that might have had something downloaded through a pop up or it could have been part of a file which they thought was something else. Mistakes happen and should be eliminated at all cost. But there are those out there that deal in this trade on a daily basis. It is those people that I have no use for and if showing an excessive amount of images prejudices a jury then I am all for it.
In the future if you feel I am exhibiting a tone which is too friendly to LE I would appreciate it if you send me a PM. I’d be happy to discuss my opinion with you privately. For some reason I doubt you will take me up on my request, but only time will tell.
Several weeks ago I posted concerns about a post I saw and thought was somewhat questionable. The poster contacted me privately, explained his post and gave me the reason why he asked the question he did and I apologized for painting him with such a broad brush. It was handled privately and it’s over. I like to go to the source directly rather than let everyone else at work know I have an issue with someone. I guess not everyone is like me.
Keep up the good work!
"It is those people that I have no use for and if showing an excessive amount of images prejudices a jury then I am all for it."
That's the exact point, on one hand you are all for rules and catching the bad guy, on the other hand you don't care if a jury is prejudiced. When I was in LE we were told to view a crime as a crime, put together the case based on the facts, and nothing is personal. If someone is innocent, they get cut loose, if they are guilty and the facts we gathered stand up, then they go to jail. If there is an appeal, its a procedural appeal, nothing based on what the department did.
I wonder what your DA or Judges would have to say knowing that you feel this way. Your honor, I don't care if I prejudice a jury, or if someone in this case does that. It's my rules and here's your mop right?
No Sir, everyone is not like you as everyone is not like me either.
forensicakb,
And here I was thinking nobody was reading my posts.I’m not really sure what your issue with me is, but it pleases me to know that there are good people like yourself keeping people like me in balance. I guess the printed word means a lot on this forum because you sure do take what I type literally rather than reading between the lines to detect my tongue and cheek tone? Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s my perception.
I can promise you that if you knew me you would find that I am not some overzealous bull dog with a badge. I do understand Rights and I respect them. That being said I don’t have a neon sign on my front door or hanging from my rearview mirror that says “Will submit to warrantless search at any time.”
I can accept just about everything, but for me CP is a deal breaker. Every person in this forum has some sort of a fetish whether they want to admit it or not. There is something out there that will get each and every one of us salivating like Pavlov’s dog.
When I was growing up and sneaking looks at my Dads porno mags I noticed in the back there were advertisements where I could call and talk to a lady who would be dressed in leather or lace. (Or so I thought) This is done to give people options to satisfy their fetish. I believe it would be a safe assumption that those that had a leather fetish didn’t make many calls to the lace line and vice versa.
As I said I believe CP is a deal breaker. If that is what someone needs to get off then it is my opinion they are broken and can’t be fixed!
You could be locked up for twenty years for eating a ham sandwich and told with a soft soothing voice, “turkey”, is much better for you than that nasty old ham. When you get out what are you going to go eat?
Is the term CP not somewhat prejudicial in a sense? Maybe we should change the term to “socially unacceptable” images or videos. Then we could debate for years over what socially acceptable is. I don’t know if we agree that the term CP is prejudicial, but if we do, now we're just haggling over how much prejudicing we will allow. I’m not suggesting that a jury should see all one thousand images if someone had that many, but I believe they should be made to see a good representation of the evidence to include the worst of the worst. I do get frustrated with the legal system when evidence is presented and a Defense Attorney is standing there saying they don’t want the Jury to see the evidence. I guess that makes sense in some people’s books.
I understand that there are those that might have had something downloaded through a pop up or it could have been part of a file which they thought was something else. Mistakes happen and should be eliminated at all cost. But there are those out there that deal in this trade on a daily basis. It is those people that I have no use for and if showing an excessive amount of images prejudices a jury then I am all for it.
In the future if you feel I am exhibiting a tone which is too friendly to LE I would appreciate it if you send me a PM. I’d be happy to discuss my opinion with you privately. For some reason I doubt you will take me up on my request, but only time will tell.
Several weeks ago I posted concerns about a post I saw and thought was somewhat questionable. The poster contacted me privately, explained his post and gave me the reason why he asked the question he did and I apologized for painting him with such a broad brush. It was handled privately and it’s over. I like to go to the source directly rather than let everyone else at work know I have an issue with someone. I guess not everyone is like me.
Keep up the good work!