I am trying to make sense of a newspaper story.
1) Female, 42, tall, athletic, presumptively suicide with 440 ml (carbofuran) Foradan. 2)Supposedly fell to the floor, gashing” wound to the head, produced, "most likely", by her fall, measuring almost a centimeter and a half, which bled profusely.
3)Suicidal supposedly left message on another person’s mobile.
Now, I have no picture of the scene or anything, but trying to make sense of the dynamic, my questions are
1) Any references (books, articles) about such possibility? I saw a report quoting around 300ml ingestion, and I suppose that concentrations might come differently, but the quantity still looks big to me. How long it will takes to ingest such quantity and in what interval installs death?
2) It this dynamic possible? Any references appreciated
3) Any similar case in literature? As a proof, it does not make too much sense to me (I would not imagine how I can certify the author)
3 is certainly possible if whoever wrote the article meant that the suicidal person texted their message to someone else.
Even if they didn't SMS it, most cell phones have notepad functions, so it's conceivable that a message could have been left when the owner set their phone down or were otherwise separated from it.
And another question, what could I find exactly from a cell analysis, except the location of the cell? (it can only be a proof if the cell was not in the place where it was declared to be). Could I recover any misspelled keys of the initial message, exact time of typing,anything else?
tks in advance.
The carrier can tell you approximately where the message was sent from based on tower data, as well as the phone's last location.
The rest depends on the phone. You may be able to determine when the message was sent/received. Unless a draft of the message was saved or deleted, I'm not aware of any way to see any variations of the message as it was typed.
tks agbar. is affirmed that the suicidal actually saved the message on another person mobile (which was in the same house) without actually sending it to nobody. just save it.
shrinks said by doing so wanted anybody to see it (maybe if you start with the assumption of suicide), but I am thinking that negatives-i can't show who actually wrote, cannot make a positive. i can show only that the cell was in another place (so the message was written afterward),or i can determine some typos, and the certain hour when was written.
any case law with similar facts?
it was saved on the memory,not sent to anyone.
Ah, I see. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with UK case law.
The only thing that occurs to me would be to check the phone for the suicidal's fingerprints or DNA to confirm they had actually held the phone at some point.
What newspaper is this in I'd like to read the story?
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agbar, yes at some point,but I cannot say for sure who wrote.
harry,the story is this
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If the message was not 'sent', it may not be possible to get location of the cell when the message was typed since the message never hit a cell tower. I'm not sure how the cell system in the UK works. You may be able to find the date/time the message got saved and see if there is any other timeline-related activity to put that cell phone either at the scene or away from the scene. Was the owner of the phone elsewhere (with the phone) when the message was supposedly typed…. things like that.
As far as DNA/fingerprints, IMHO, while a good suggestion may not yield any definite answers since the phone belonged to the person that lived in the same house and at some time during the normal course of activity she may have handled the phone.
The skeptic in me would want to know if
- the phone was passworded
- did she know the password
- how tech savvy was she - would she have known how to just save a message and not send it?
- did she actually leave that note herself?
- Was the message formatting/lingo/text style the same as her previous messages on her phone.
(of course due to the end-result, unfortunately you may never know some of these answers)
Good luck!
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