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vkskain
(@vkskain)
New Member

Hello All,

How can we acquire the proton mail data?
I have found that the FEC and proton mail bridge is applicable only for paid proton mail accounts. Here is the reference link (https://docs.metaspike.com/article/37-acquiring-protonmail-with-fec).
But what about the non paid accounts? has anyone encountered the same problem? Any inputs are much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Posted : 24/07/2019 2:19 pm
deeFIR
(@deefir)
Junior Member

Any remote connection function is limited to paid accounts only, as you've identified.

If you want to export emails for a non-paid account, you need to login to the web-based interface, select each email and then export it all manually. Should you decide to go this way, just make sure you note why you've done it (ie platform limitations) and thoroughly document the process.

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Posted : 25/07/2019 1:42 am
(@passcodeunlock)
Senior Member

Or upgrade on your own costs to a paid account (very little investment) and do the exporting fast and well documented using FEC, as you mentioned in the first post…

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Posted : 25/07/2019 8:11 am
deeFIR
(@deefir)
Junior Member

Or upgrade on your own costs to a paid account (very little investment) and do the exporting fast and well documented using FEC, as you mentioned in the first post…

That depends on the authority he's acting under. If it's only allowing him to extract the emails, then he needs to work within the confines of that legislative framework. Controlling the account, upgrading, changing account data all has certain implications (which I'm sure you're aware of). I'd recommend that unless you have complete authorisation to do so (ie the account is being surrendered or you have some legislative authority) that you act carefully and perhaps conduct a manual extraction.

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Posted : 26/07/2019 8:21 am
dandaman_24
(@dandaman_24)
Active Member

Can you get the data onto to sync onto a mobile app and then decrypt the data from the .db from there ?

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Posted : 26/07/2019 9:00 am
(@passcodeunlock)
Senior Member

Not really, that is the problem.

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Posted : 28/07/2019 7:26 pm
(@passcodeunlock)
Senior Member

That depends on the authority he's acting under. If it's only allowing him to extract the emails, then he needs to work within the confines of that legislative framework. Controlling the account, upgrading, changing account data all has certain implications (which I'm sure you're aware of). I'd recommend that unless you have complete authorisation to do so (ie the account is being surrendered or you have some legislative authority) that you act carefully and perhaps conduct a manual extraction.

Upgrading a free protonmail account to a paid account doesn't affect in any way the user content data.

A professional examiner would always comply to the rules, but it is really nice that deeFIR reminds everybody to do so )

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Posted : 28/07/2019 7:30 pm
deeFIR
(@deefir)
Junior Member

Upgrading a free protonmail account to a paid account doesn't affect in any way the user content data.

A professional examiner would always comply to the rules, but it is really nice that deeFIR reminds everybody to do so )

Of course, I'm not suggesting that an examiner would be inept, but for me in our local jurisdiction it would be unlawful to do so without the account owner's consent.

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Posted : 29/07/2019 7:53 am
(@passcodeunlock)
Senior Member

That is just another sample of bureaucracy and bad judgement )

Let's say there is a child abusing case, with proof in a free protonmail account, without an acquisition possibility in a forensic way. The LE can't do nothing, because the account owner is not giving his consent ?! What a joke, no ?!

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Posted : 29/07/2019 5:39 pm
(@jaclaz)
Community Legend

That is just another sample of bureaucracy and bad judgement )

Let's say there is a child abusing case, with proof in a free protonmail account, without an acquisition possibility in a forensic way. The LE can't do nothing, because the account owner is not giving his consent ?! What a joke, no ?!

Well, wouldn't in that case be simpler to use torture 😯 and have in a short time both the consent to access the protonmail account and a full, complete, confession of all crimes committed?

I would have a hard time calling the mechanisms (rules) preventing the above from happening "bureaucracy and bad judgement".

And there is - for the record - NO "proof" in a free protonmail account that you cannot access, at the most there is some suspects or reasonable possibilities of that "proof" to be there, which brings us back to the traditional way to ask a judge to allow the access.

jaclaz

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Posted : 30/07/2019 10:48 am
(@passcodeunlock)
Senior Member

I never said that a prosecutor or a judge should not allow the access.

All I try is to point out that many times a criminal has way more rights then the LE because of bureaucracy and bad judgement.

@jaclaz great about the torturing idea, I wonder how I didn't think of it before )

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Posted : 30/07/2019 1:45 pm
(@jaclaz)
Community Legend

All I try is to point out that many times a criminal has way more rights then the LE because of bureaucracy and bad judgement.

Yep, but the point is exactly that a citizen (yet to be proved a criminal) has (or should have) a number of rights protected by the Law (or constitution, or universal declaration of rights, etc.) and theoretically the moment a LEO - for whatever reasons - believes that the Law (the very thing he/she is called to enforce) is just "bureaucracy and bad judgement" he/she should step down immediately (or be fired).

In a more coherent world the ex-officer should be additionally punished by depriving him/her of those same basic rights, but one of the good points of the Law is that those rights cannot be removed.

jaclaz

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Posted : 30/07/2019 2:55 pm
(@passcodeunlock)
Senior Member

@jaclaz This is funny ) Luckily I can have a private opinion without braking any laws )

We should end this and get back to the OP.

To make it short unless there is a subpoena or court order to access the protonmail account in the needed way, the examiner can't do nothing.

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Posted : 30/07/2019 3:21 pm
(@jaclaz)
Community Legend

can't do nothing.

At least on this side of the pond I think you need to choose among
1) can do nothing
2) can't do anything

jaclaz

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Posted : 30/07/2019 3:41 pm
(@passcodeunlock)
Senior Member

Whichever you like )

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Posted : 30/07/2019 3:45 pm
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