Greg,
I originally intended to send this to you as an email, but I thought the open discussion might prove to be educational? Some of what I am talking about has already been discussed in an earlier post, but I thought I would revive it.
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The other day I received some CDR’s with cell site data on a case I am currently working. Prior to receiving them I had a preconceived idea of what the data would indicate. When I received the data, plotted my towers and sectors they seemed to indicate something different than what my preconceived opinion was. I don’t believe my victim in this case is lying, but when looking at the data it seems to tell a different version of how the handset moved on the day in question.
One of the first things I have had to factor in is that I don’t live in a flat part of the US. I live in an area with lots of hills and small mountains. I was fortunate enough last year to be present during a drive test and was able to watch a CDMA handset’s signal jump from tower to tower. I must say it was an eye opener as the signal did some crazy things.
I then thought about what I could do to get a second opinion, second set of eyes on the data or some sort of peer review?
I spoke with a friend of mine the other day who is an RF expert. I don’t know the specifics of what his resume is, but I do know that he has over 30 years experience in the Air Force with RF communications and has testified in State and Federal Court. He does have an understanding of cellular technology and the dangers and pitfalls that come with “drawing circles.”
I told him I would send him the data, would not tell him about the case (so as not to taint his examination with my preconceived ideas) and maybe we could compare notes next week. Keep in mind that I don’t have the resources available to pay someone to review the data.
I was wondering what protocols or best practices might be in place in the UK to verify ones findings, either through a second opinion or some sort of peer review? What are they doing at Scotland Yard or at some of the larger departments? Is there a specific standard that officers or detectives are trained to in the UK?
From what I understand the National Technical Investigators Association
With training budgets already strained most departments can only find enough resources to send one officer or investigator to a class at a time. Upon completion the officer may return really knowing their stuff, or the old adage “In the valley of the blind the one eyed man is king” may apply?
This is where I’d like my US based counterparts to respond.
What are your departments doing, or what are you doing on your own? Have you developed resources from previous training you attended to have records or your findings reviewed? Do you share the facts of the case with the individual evaluating the records or do you try to hit the high points and stay away from specifics? I believe any input would be appreciated by all.
Let the discussion begin!
I was wondering what protocols or best practices might be in place in the UK to verify ones findings, either through a second opinion or some sort of peer review?
The UK Forensic Regulator ( http//
How firms will initiate protocols and/or best practices could be problematical.
Checking someone else's work for typos is not enough and doesn't deal with the interpretation of evidence and therefore is way short of suggested forensic standards. Using BS5750 to imply a forensic standard of quality; if the paperwork audit trail is fine, the evidence must be forensically sound is another problem, for this too fails to deal with interpretation of the evidence.
Your example about CDR data and about sound interpretation of the evidence will fall short where there is over-simplification
- in the analysis of the component parts operating within a system that generates the service and data,
- in the analysis of the data
- the procedures involved in the methodology to capture the evidence
- failure to disclose omissions in the results or to declare omissions that were they disclosed can/could add an alternative interpretation to the evidence
These might be places you want to research.
What are they doing at Scotland Yard or at some of the larger departments?
I guess they will want to answer for themselves.
As a suggestion you may need to trawl each of the constabulary websites and investigate disparate ranges of protocols or practices each of them have. Also, look into the UK LE private companies (NPIA/ACPO etc) to see how in isolation or combined together they have produced sustainable protocols and best practice.
As a starter, maybe look here
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When taking account of a particular constabulary consideration may also be given to all the vast range of different departments within a constabulary and (a) question why protocols and practices have not been centrally enforced to one-set of standards and (b) consider conflicting protocols and practices among those departments within a particular constabulary and between one constabulary to another constabulary.
From what I understand the National Technical Investigators Association
www.natia.org is in the process of creating some sort of certification in cellular technology. If this is correct I’m sure some understanding of cellular networks, factors affecting signals, mapping and interpreting the data would be part of that curriculum.
I looked at their website but the link page doesn't provide information on any certificate in cell site analysis. It isn't possible therefore to identify what they consider to be protocols or best practice?
Updated link for CDRs - CDR Toll Ticket - http//