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Jamie
(@jamie)
Community Legend

Hi all,

I had a mail from Paul Sanderson & Craig Wilson the other day about their ForensicWiki. It got me thinking, does anyone want to see a kind of knowledge base here which people can add to over time with useful information? Based on my miserable failure to encourage hardly anyone to write articles for the Papers & Articles page I know there's often a difference between what we'd like to do (i.e. share our knowledge) and what we have the time to do! Equally though, perhaps adding short snippets to a knowledge base is a lot easier than putting together a 1,000 word article.

Thoughts and comments appreciated.

Jamie

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Posted : 17/03/2006 4:34 am
keydet89
(@keydet89)
Community Legend

Jamie,

I feel your pain, dude. That's the nature of the beast, though…it brings thousands of people from across the Internet together, so they can all sit around.

The fact is, people don't want to write articles or snippets…they want to read them.

$0.02

Harlan

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Posted : 17/03/2006 4:56 am
debaser_
(@debaser_)
Active Member

Ive always planned on writing an article when i get a chance, but I am still in the learning stages myself. I remember reading snippets from a Richard Feynman book where he said that if someone couldnt explain something in simple laymans terms then they did not truly comprehend it. Explaining something that you learned to someone else often helps you retain that knowledge longer.

In the case of a wiki, I do feel that people would be more likely to contribute to it. Just cause you dont have a mastery of a certain topic, or enough knowledge to write a large paper on it, doesnt mean you dont have a few things to share.

I also think that if there is already a wiki somewhere else on the topic that is fairly good you shouldnt bother making another one. Id rather see one very very good one.

Edit Looked at the link and membership is not open to everyone. I wouldnt be able to join because I am not yet in the field. Kind of disappointing but it keeps the profession respectable. No paper MCSEs or overuse of the word engineer and analyst. When i finally do score a job in CP it will be something I can finally be proud of.

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Posted : 17/03/2006 5:29 am
nickfx
(@nickfx)
Active Member

Jamie,

I'll keep an eye on how the ForensicWiki pans out and report back. Being a closed environment open primarily to LE and F3 people it will be interesting to see if it gets used much. I've a login for DD and ForensicWiki and I certainly post more to here than DD, I just find a wider more international audience to get comments from. A closed forum does restrict that quite a bit.

Nick

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Posted : 17/03/2006 2:58 pm
keydet89
(@keydet89)
Community Legend

Nick,

In all fairness, though it does say on the first page that membership is closed, it's most likely due to credibility issues. First off, you have to be vetted to make sure that the moderators know who you are…that you're not some kind of spammer, or someone just trying to get access to collect email addresses. Second, with an account, things that are posted can actually be tied back to someone. If someone's posting incorrect information, or things that don't have anything to do with the wiki, that issue can be addressed.

While in theory, a closed forum does restrict contributions, it's really not an issue…look at those forums out that there are more open, and look at the quality and credibility of the posts.

Harlan

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Posted : 17/03/2006 10:27 pm
arashiryu
(@arashiryu)
Active Member

I am neither LE nor belong to F3 and I am a member of ForensicWiki.
It does have some diverse content and I don;t find it totally dedicated to information forensics.

Having a forensicsforum wiki would be great.

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Posted : 17/03/2006 11:37 pm
colsanders
(@colsanders)
New Member

I adminster a Wiki for my department (computer crimes) of my agency. Wikis are great knowledge management tools - however, at least in my experience here, people don't post. Right now we have one person who posts content regularly - me.

It's only been live for a few months, however, so perhaps that will change. But my point is, the biggest problem with putting a lot of time and effort into applications like these is that they often go underutilized.

That being said, I'd be very interested to see the creation of a wiki here.

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Posted : 20/03/2006 9:55 pm
packys
(@packys)
Junior Member

Just out of curiosity; how many wikis are out there?
I came across this one not too long ago [http//www.forensicswiki.org/index.php/Main_Page]
and had to look again to make sure that it wasn't the same one!
I have to say that between the blogs (I read Harlan's often, as well as a couple of dozen others) and the communities (this one being one of the best) and the websites like mine (http//www.e-evidence.info -shameless plug), who out there is not beginning to suffer from information overload?

C.

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Posted : 21/03/2006 3:15 am
DJPnP
(@djpnp)
New Member

I've found that it's hard to find anyone who doesn't see the benefits of a wiki for capturing hard earned knowledge, but it's harder still to get them to contribute.

The wider audience here might allow a wiki to build up quicker but if it's just repeating information found on other support forums and websites, I think that most people wouldn't bother. It all sounds a bit pessimistic but I honestly thought that the forensicwiki.com would be used a lot more than it has been.

I would love to be proved wrong on this one!

DJ

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Posted : 21/03/2006 3:49 pm
packys
(@packys)
Junior Member

This is just my opinion, but I think that we, as a community of forensic practitioners, have gotten past the need for more of the 'general' digital forensic groups, listservs, wikis, etc., and would benefit much more from wikis that are more targetted in their content.

Examples might be 'Registry Forensics' wiki, a 'Tool validation' wiki, or a 'Metadata' wiki.

I for one would like to have a single resource (for a given specific issue) where I could go and get solid information on that topic witout having to scour through other blogs, lists, websites to pull together what I need.

Christine

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Posted : 21/03/2006 8:08 pm
Jamie
(@jamie)
Community Legend

Examples might be 'Registry Forensics' wiki, a 'Tool validation' wiki, or a 'Metadata' wiki.

Interesting point, any other suggestions (from Christine or others)?

Jamie

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Posted : 22/03/2006 3:50 pm
keydet89
(@keydet89)
Community Legend

"I for one would like to have a single resource…"

Christine, put in a good word for me to my editor at AWL…I've got a book in the works that will cover the Registry, tool validation, and metadata…plus other stuff. 😉

I do agree about the single resource issue…I recently ran across the CyberSpeak podcasts b/c they mentioned some of my work in the 11 Mar podcast. There are a lot of resources out there, at various levels, but how does one keep them all straight? Sometimes, even the most comprehensive search turns up nothing…

Harlan

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Posted : 22/03/2006 4:48 pm
PaulSanderson
(@paulsanderson)
Senior Member

I became aware of this thread over the weekend and have obtained Jamie’s kind permission to post this response.

There are a few points that I would like to make.

Yes there is another forensic wiki (forensicswiki, plural rather than ForensicWiki) which was set up shortly before ours - we were not aware of it before hand and by the time we did become aware the content of ours had already passed that of the forensicswiki. We do agree that one resource is better than multiple resources and so we did discuss joining forces with the other wiki but we were uncomfortable hosting an open site that could effectively be modified by anyone - this decision has been vindicated as the forensicswiki seems to be getting spammed on a daily basis.

The restricted membership that we have decided to use is not designed to limit the membership in any major way, but as has already been mentioned, to allow us to police the system. Membership is open to forensic practitioners, both prosecution and defence, and would also be extended to those who genuinely wish to participate - for these we would ask for some sort recommendation/vouching by someone already in the field or a ForensicWiki member, so debaser_ go ahead and request access.

I am not sure of the value of multiple Wiki’s, one for each issue. One of the features of the wiki software is to allow a user to categorize each page, therefore if you are only interested in metadata then you can just look in the metadata category – simple.

I would of course be disappointed if Jamie chose to implement a new Wiki here, but that would be his prerogative, as said above another resource would just dilute the effectiveness of all.

There are now nearly 1700 users and a few hundred pages of genuine content of the ForensicWiki with more being added almost daily. I would be glad to offer membership of ForensicWiki to anyone from ForensicFocus who is either a practitioner or can provide an LE/corporate forensic reference.

Paul Sanderson
www.forensicwiki.com

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Posted : 22/03/2006 8:55 pm
Jamie
(@jamie)
Community Legend

Just a short message to say a warm welcome to Paul. I know he's joined us just now to comment on this specific topic but I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping that he'll be able to join in future discussions if time allows.

Right now it's me who's pressed for time though so I'm going to leave it at that for now but I do have a few comments on the issue at hand which I'll try to post later.

Cheers,

Jamie

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Posted : 22/03/2006 9:29 pm
keydet89
(@keydet89)
Community Legend

Paul,

I have to say that I finally got around to logging in and looking at some of the pages…while volume is in no way an indicator of how good a site is, the quality of what's posted is excellent. There are pages there that can be expanded upon, as well as used as references for some of the frequently asked questions.

Folks on this site should strongly consider accessing the ForensicWiki and contributing.

Harlan

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Posted : 22/03/2006 9:43 pm
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