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 wulf
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surely they would find it difficult to understand what you are saying if you use technical approach

and if you use a too easy approach then youll sound stupid

what would be the best way

lets say you have 5mins to present to them

how would you all do this.

the best answer will get a reward from me..
i am very curious

 
Posted : 01/10/2011 4:50 pm
Jamie
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Is this an academic exercise you've been set?

 
Posted : 01/10/2011 6:43 pm
 wulf
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nooooo, its a skill i need to improve on..any suggestions?

 
Posted : 01/10/2011 6:45 pm
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Things like this are very difficult to try to teach. Especially in 5 minutes for a complicated confidence scam like that. While at it's core it's very simple, the intricacies are what could trip you up.

The best thing you can do is to research it online and then get a few people to sit in front of you and start explaining it to them.

If you ask someone to tell you about it and how to explain it in 5 minutes, then you are in essence memorizing a script or taking our words and using them, what happens when you have a hiccup (figuratively not literally) you can't go back online and say what now.

Research it, then practice in your own style what you would say, then you can feel very comfortable putting out your words based on extensive review and research.

Of course one of the first questions I ask counsel to ask opposing experts is how many types of this case has someone done before, and even if you have the most eloquent example, if the jury doesn't believe you are experienced, then maybe you don't get as much weight as someone else would.

GL regardless.

(P.S. I also don't know the rules in the town you are from so maybe you are allowed to approach the jurors and include them in the demonstration on how the confidence works or maybe not.)

If you have a spare local legal rules book laying around that you would like to part with, I'll give it a good home and read it.

nooooo, its a skill i need to improve on..any suggestions?

 
Posted : 01/10/2011 9:57 pm
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if you were selected as a professional to investigate a crime related to the nigerian 419 scam and then in front of a jury explain the scam how would you do it??

surely they would find it difficult to understand what you are saying if you

It would depend on the context. Who has asked you to explain (pros or defence)? Why etc.

It would also depend upon what evidence you'd found within the case and if you were explaining that evidence, or if you were explaining a generic scenario.

 
Posted : 02/10/2011 2:24 am
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nooooo, its a skill i need to improve on..any suggestions?

But your profile says that you're a student and your previous posts are asking for help with your university projects.

 
Posted : 02/10/2011 1:49 pm
jaclaz
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Just for the record the scam is much older than the "nigerian flood" we have all seen lately
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Prisoner
http//www.hidden-knowledge.com/funstuff/spanishprisoner/spanishprisoner1.html

This kind of "advance-fee" trick has been played all over the world in infinite variants.

There is nothing particularly complex in it or anything particularly difficult to explain.

The victim is told that by advancing a fee in cash (or the like) a much larger sum is to be given LATER in return.
Obviously as soon as the advanced sum reaches the destination, con men "vanish".

It is driven (besides the criminal intent of the con men involved) by GREED (this is something is at the base of most, if not *all* frauds).
The victims thinks that he/she can gain a substantial amount of money (or buy at a substantially discounted price some goods) with no or very little effort.

If you want, the Ponzi scheme frauds leverage on the same "character" of the victim, the confidence that he/she is somehow smarter than other people and that there are free lunches (there are no such things) or that he/she is given the one time occasion of his/her life.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanstaafl

Here in Italy a typical variant (not online) is the following
The con man finds his victim (apparently) by chance in a public place like a bar or restaurant, on a friday afternoon or saturday morning, and he appears like a foreigner in need of help/directions to find the address of a solicitor/notary public.
The victim initially driven by will to help the poor disoriented guy, since the given indications are complex, goes with him into his car to the address.
Another guy fakes to be exiting form the address and presents himself as the solicitor, found by pure chance since the premises are closed.
The simplified story (example) is that there is a substantial inheritance waiting for the "foreigner", but that it can be had ONLY if taxes are payed within monday at 1000 o'clock.
Since there is no way that the "foreigner" can have the small sum so soon, he proposes the victim to advance this sum that he will return, doubled or tripled, as soon as the inheritance will come in.
Typically the fake solicitor will prepare a paper in "legal terms" as a contract betwen the two and either the same day (if the victim has enough cash at home) or monday morning at bank opening hour the money will change hands, with the solicitor hyurrying to get in time to the office where the taxes must be payed…and of course never coming back.

jaclaz

 
Posted : 02/10/2011 3:32 pm
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nooooo, its a skill i need to improve on..any suggestions?

But your profile says that you're a student and your previous posts are asking for help with your university projects.

There's proper investigative work for you…

 
Posted : 03/10/2011 2:11 pm
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It's times like this I wish everyone here was compelled to post under their real name.

 
Posted : 03/10/2011 10:35 pm
harryparsonage
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It's times like this I wish everyone here was compelled to post under their real name.

and complete their profile properly.

H

 
Posted : 16/10/2011 10:50 pm
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