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MickArneke
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Public deeds constitutes full proof unless and until - in some ways - it is proved otherwise.

This seems a common provision for so called "public instruments" in Civil law (but also in Common Law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_instrument
to the point that the Scots call them "self-proving instruments".

How exactly (the "ways") this can be proved otherwise in different countries might be object for an interesting paper, possibly written by an international assembly of qualified lawyers.

jaclaz

The Greek law EXCLUDE the possibility of "proved otherwise", except proof of forgery.
And exactly THIS is what I'm talking about.

You confuse the bona fide faith in one public documents by the legal authorities with the possibility of lawful questioning of one document's content and the declared there facts, when they are, actually, lies.

In normal circumstances, nobody forbid you to question, except in Greece- when questioning IS ONLY ALLOWED, if you have a proof of the document's forgery.

But this unbelievable travesty of Greek "lawmaking" have another dimension- EVERY judge in Greece, will throw out ANY defendant's arguments (based on FACTS) by simply mentioning, that

".. because the document in question is an public document, and there was NO forgery, I accept the document and his content, like IS."

no matter how many lies are inside.

Are you catching now the Greek's "secrets" clearly, my dear friend?
Consequences of this law travesty

* Every single police officer in Greece may make whatsoever false statements he pleases- all will be admitted, because no forgery is committed. No one actually examine, how truthful is the content inside, and no questioning is allowed.

* Every single police officer in Greece may take bribe, and make ANY false statements he wishes - all will be admitted, because no forgery is committed. No one actually examine, how truthful is the content inside, and no questioning is allowed. No big lies are needed- small lies, in some details, may be proved crucial in court.

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Posted : 27/03/2018 3:48 pm
jaclaz
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jaclaz, I'm working almost an year on this case, with very good lawyers. I know, what I'm talking about.

As said before, don't worry, Art. 718 of the of the IDFCR fully protects your statements

Pls., do not make this another Italian fiasco, like Amanda Knox and Raffaele Solecito case.

This is instead a senseless ad hominem (actually ad nationem ) attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

which is usually severely frowned upon, you can find more arguments for this kind here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miscarriage_of_justice_cases
from which I could casually extract - as a random example - the Rudolf Rupp case.

Can you see how this attitude won't bring us any good? ?

jaclaz

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Posted : 27/03/2018 3:52 pm
jaclaz
(@jaclaz)
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The Greek law EXCLUDE the possibility of "proved otherwise", except proof of forgery.
And exactly THIS is what I'm talking about.

Also the Italian Article 2700
https://www.laleggepertutti.it/codice-civile/art-2700-codice-civile-efficacia-dellatto-pubblico

piena prova (1), fino a querela di falso

And the Spanish Article 244
http//cogui.unimagdalena.edu.co/index.php?option=com_samco&view=samcofront&task=descargarNorma&id=930&Itemid=895

se presumen auténticos, mientras no hayan sido tachados de falso o desconocidos, según el caso.

and the Portuguese Article 372
http//www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=200240

Art.º 372º - Falsidade 1. A força probatória dos documentos autênticos só pode ser ilidida com base na sua falsidade.

Re-thinking about it, this must be one of the reasons why these states are often referred to as "PIGS" by our more evoluted friends in the north.

jaclaz

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Posted : 27/03/2018 4:15 pm
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
Member

jaclaz, I'm working almost an year on this case, with very good lawyers. I know, what I'm talking about.

As said before, don't worry, Art. 718 of the of the IDFCR fully protects your statements

Pls., do not make this another Italian fiasco, like Amanda Knox and Raffaele Solecito case.

This is instead a senseless ad hominem (actually ad nationem ) attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

which is usually severely frowned upon, you can find more arguments for this kind here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miscarriage_of_justice_cases
from which I could casually extract - as a random example - the Rudolf Rupp case.

Can you see how this attitude won't bring us any good? ?

jaclaz

Pls, read this- it is a forensic article

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497316300333

Ok, "Fiasco= judicial miscarriage of justice".

I have a close friend, who works on same aspects of this case.
I know what I'm talking about.
We talk about this articles ( and many others too on same subject) - the errors there are kind of very bad "science's application", which, actually, may be the same case everywhere. The difference is HOW the law protect the ongoing case from this kind of errors.

If you have a law, like this one, I mentioned- it is clear, that every false evidences will go unchallenged, because THERE IS NO LEGAL basis of challenging them. Because of bad laws - these laws are voted in times, when the only legal word in existence was "WE" and "THE REST", ( remember - " Mr. Sebastian was not used to wine" ) and ARE INTENTIONALLY preserved, in scope this injustice to go unchallenged. Thus, all the LEA are put ABOVE all the citizens, shifting the democratic vote in other direction, and put a foundation for an endless corruption.

All the rest of your ethnically based innuendo are, how should I say more delicate to your ear - a pure nonsense. You must free yourself from these complexes, and be a free man.

I do not care, who called your nations how. Many peoples called our nations "somehow".
It is not about this.

If this common travesty of "law" exist in all these Mediterranean Laws, it means something, isn't it? It is time to correct this.

But my intention never was to go so far. I just comment one injustice, by examples.

The fact that 4 peoples are with one eye, does not mean that all of us must take out one of our eyes.

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Posted : 27/03/2018 4:26 pm
jaclaz
(@jaclaz)
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I have a close friend, who works on same aspects of this case.
I know what I'm talking about.

Be aware that on third (unneeded) such statement, this seems a case of excusatio non petita

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excusatio_non_petita,_accusatio_manifesta

You must free yourself from these complexes, and be a free man. I. myself, work with everyone, if he is a true professional.

I feel a free man enough, thank you. In my simplicity I talk and work with lots of people, even if they are not true professionals.

If this common travesty of "law" exist on all Mediterranean Laws, it means something, isn't it? It is time to correct this.

… or alternatively, let it alone, maybe it is there because of some reasons. ?

Just in case, Chesterton Fence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikipediaChesterton%27s_fence

But my intention never was to go so far. I just comment one injustice, by examples.

Then it is just one injustice, not the complete failure of the whole police and judiciary system (and Law Codes) of an entire country (or of 4 of them), good. )

The fact that 4 peoples are with one eye, does not mean that all of us must take out one of our eyes.

On the other hand …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Country_of_the_Blind

jaclaz

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Posted : 27/03/2018 4:59 pm
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
Member

"…… or alternatively, let it alone, maybe it is there because of some reasons."

Sure. If you admit, that the legal situation in these countries is better than in the others, where there is not a such "law exclusions".

Are you actually in place to prove to all us, that your justice system, and the Greek justice system, with this kind of "law perception of the reality" is better than Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Austria?

According of the European Court of Human Rights decisions, Italy and Greece have by fold the most lost cases than any of the above mentioned here countries.

Let's see

https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Stats_violation_1959_2017_ENG.pdf

Violations - Greece - 864 , Italy - 1819,

AND

Denmark-15, Finland- 114, Germany- 193, Sweden -60, Austria-272.

Actually, the situation is more awful, if we take the population of these countries
Population-

Italy- 60 mln, Greece - 11 mln.

Germany- 80 mln, Denmark -6 mln ( almost a half of the Greek population, Denmark has 55 fold LOWER rate of conviction than Greece!!), Finland-5.5 mln, Sweden-10mln (almost like Greece, but with 14 fold lower convictions), Austria -8.8 mln.

And there is not simply "one injustice" I'm talking about. There are MANY injustice there - it is a dark age there, actually. Many peoples are in prison without any proofs of guilt. Simply because this ONE INJUSTICE , and MANY OTHERS, similarly to this law's acrobatics injustices exists.

It is time for change, not for propaganda of "our values" vs "their values".

I change my phrase, not because of "guilt", but because you seems offended by her. Ok, I change the phrase, respecting your feelings, but not her meaningfulness.

Your approach does not work. To put it simply, and mildly.

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Posted : 27/03/2018 5:18 pm
jaclaz
(@jaclaz)
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1959-2017 😯

It seems like the differences are getting smaller
https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Stats_violation_2017_ENG.pdf

Spain has already surpassed Germany ….

jaclaz

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Posted : 27/03/2018 5:51 pm
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
Member

1959-2017 😯

It seems like the differences are getting smaller
https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Stats_violation_2017_ENG.pdf

Spain has already surpassed Germany ….

jaclaz

You must deduct the emigration criminality, which is not exactly the nation's criminality rating.
You wrote what the Swiss will do? "prevent jailing in home.

"Our boat is full"- do you remember this?? But, simply, it is not possible for someone to be happy, when the surrounding him ocean is unhappy.

Dear friend, lets end this by this

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”

Ayn Rand (actually, he is Russian women, name -Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum)

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Posted : 27/03/2018 6:03 pm
jaclaz
(@jaclaz)
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… or by this (König Friedrich II von Preußen, 1779)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCller-Arnold-Fall

„Wo die Justiz-Collegia nicht mit der Justiz ohne alles Ansehen der Person und des Standes gerade durch gehen, sondern die natürliche Billigkeit bei Seite setzen, so sollen sie es mit Sr.K.M. zu thun kriegen. Denn ein Justiz-Collegium, das Ungerechtigkeiten ausübt, ist gefährlicher und schlimmer, wie eine Diebesbande, vor die kann man sich schützen, aber vor Schelme, die den Mantel der Justiz gebrauchen, um ihre üblen Passiones auszuführen, vor die kann sich kein Mensch hüten. Die sind ärger, wie die größten Spitzbuben, die in der Welt sind, und meritiren eine doppelte Bestrafung.“

jaclaz

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Posted : 27/03/2018 6:45 pm
MickArneke
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Member

Example of bad use of forensics, and totally incompetent investigation, which uses all of these "data".
These data are from the forensic "report" of the National Greek forensics Lab. The Lab is responsible for all cyber-crime prosecutions in Greece!

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The Lab say so

1. "log" files are presenting. They are linked [the lab linked them] to one type of software. The Software is not mentioned to be present - in any of the confiscated digital evidences.

2. These "log" files are on 4 digital evidences (hdd) - paradoxically they are the same files, or originated from the same source. Not possible, because the software is able to write only one log file at the time, on only one place.

3. These "log" files is impossible to be linked [forensically] to one PC, because there is no supporting info inside them, or ANY other information is presented, which identify the origin of these log files, or link them specifically to ONE PC - i.e. -THE responsible for their creation PC.

4. These files are easily redacted by hand, and the contents inside is changed easily to be of everyone's tastes.

5. These log files shows activity, but actually, not any completed download, or upload must be concluded from them.

5a. The files, mentioned in these logs files are absent - not a single confiscated digital evidences shows the mentioned inside those logs files to be present or deleted, proof of existence etc., etc. The same about the files locations - there is no such locations… in any of the confiscated hdd.

5b.The content of the files, mentioned in these logs, is unknown- no hash, no showing what actually is the files content - simply, by the file's names is concluded, that the non-existent files are "illegal".

6. There is no digital identity of the suspect PC recorded, or presented like evidence, which chronologically may be able to be linked to the aforementioned activities in these logs files.

7. Simply by the presence of these log files, the prosecutor charge offences, and greatly deteriorate the defendant's situation - from misdemeanour to felony. Because of a felony, the man is put in a jail for year! Nobody care to check, what this Lab is speaking about! All this behaviour is labelled - " We are quite sensitive about these crimes".

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THE truth [ forensically speaking], after 4 years

1. The files DOES not belongs to the software, which the NATIONAL Greek Forensic lab say. Grandiose shame - the software is a simple p2p software, old like the Old Testament. And not a Russian VPN "Grisly Bears" hackers attack data.

1a. Actually, the log's location names give a Lab a "joker", to which software these logs belongs - the log's directory have a same name with the actual software's name. The Lab is unable to catch even this!!

2. The log files belongs to ANOTHER software, which is not present anywhere - installed, deleted, or history to be sometime present.

3. The "fake" and the actual software are incompatible with the defendant OS, and does not run on his platform.

4. No digital evidences from the defendant PC shows, that these two pieces of software are executed [started]. No registry data from the other hdd's, these two type of software to be installed, or removed. There is no forensic data, these two pieces pieces of software to be installed [ actually, HOW, if they are incompatible "exe" files, which does not run on Mac OSX] on the defendant PC. No evidences are presented, confronting all these conclusions by forensic arguments.

5. The hdd, where these logs are located, are unable to be written from the defendant PC- platforms incompatibility. No forensic evidences are presented, confronting this conclusion by forensic arguments.

6. THE DATES, INSIDE THESE LOGS files, shows dates , form 6 months to ONE YEAR BEFORE the actual HDD are produced. Confronted by this, the police officers state "hypothetically" that the defendant plays with the system date/ time. Confronted further to present evidences, how this is possible from Mac OSX towards Windows formatted HDD, they stated "This does not concerned us". Confronted further to present forensic evidences about date/time manipulations, the two officers take their mineral water bottles, and ask the court to be released from court. The Court agree. All is clear- the defendant is an awful, repulsive, scum.

Further truth [ by analysing the behaviour of the Greek National Forensic Lab]

1. The Lab clearly knows, that the software, which produce these log files, is absent.

2. In scope to divulge attention and questions " How for god's sake these logs goes there then?", the Lab attribute these logs to another software, unable even to catch, that this "new" software is missing too from the confiscated HDD's

3. The Lab is so incompetent, that they do not understand, that the "false" and the "real" software are incompatible with the defendant PC. No explanation is presented in the labs forensic report, who, when and how even run this [actually absent, not present] software. The -worst - the "real software" does not work without the "first" present and properly installed- the "real" logs creator must be run in parallel with the "first", in scope to produce these logs. And this, if only some options there are checked- which means, you must first prove, that the options there was checked- otherwise- no log files are created.

4. Thoroughly analysing the logs, their location and their content, it is clearly visible, that these logs are " by hand" spread to 4 HDD by tampering.

5. The two officers confess, that they "examined" the disks AFTER the disks confiscation [when, where? is unknown- the question is turned "irrelevant" by the judge!!] ] when, presumably, all disks must be already sealed. Actually, the disks are presented to the lab unsealed [actually, they are NEVER sealed], with no evidence label. It is unknown also, who works with these disks in the lab, when, how- there is a simply two signatures on the report and this is all…no other details are present. Details on request are either rejected, or forged [ there is no way one provided info to be validated - the Lab and the police feeds the judiciary with whatsoever "claims" they pleased- nobody cares, nobody is able to check, because, there is no means to do this- only the internal affairs may do this] . Who cares ? " We are quite sensitive about these crimes".

The Greek judiciary turn a blind eye to all this. - "All is alright, our officers are example of virtue and moral behaviour. The defendant is an awful, repulsive, scum. How he dare to speak so about our Forensic Lab and our cyber-crime officers??".

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, or Kafka? is the question here.
Yes, this kind of countries exist- and they are in EU, not in some obscure places.

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Posted : 21/04/2018 3:40 pm
RolfGutmann
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Thank you for your detailled sharing here on FF. I know you already do but I tend to say you should protect yourself one step more. The issue for sure is heating up by you bringing into light details here.

Not in a positions to tell you what to do.

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Posted : 21/04/2018 5:41 pm
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
Member

Thank you for your detailed sharing here on FF. I know you already do but I tend to say you should protect yourself one step more. The issue for sure is heating up by you bringing into light details here.

Not in a positions to tell you what to do.

Rolf,
I'm working digital forensics from the time of Norton Commander for DOS.

I personally had had see many peculiar "spirits" from LEA agencies - some of them - really dishonest, bad lads. Trying all the time to avoiding them, at any cost- never worked for them, when I was " a single". Later- always make clear my position, and keep them at distance.

But here, and this - this is too much for me to swallow. And sincerely- i don't want any more to accept this, simply because I never saw things like these.

Why for god's sake one humble, plain man, must suffer all this? because of all this scum there? their unchallenged behaviour and superiority complex to prevail one plain expat man, who live and works there? He devoted his humble life to save children- and he is a damn good professional- I speak with many, many locals there.
Rolf, this is not enough cause for us to help him??
Why? Because we live in more democratic environment, have a comfortable life, relatively good lawyers at our disposal, protection "valves" etc, etc. And because of this, we must not care about the others?

The man is rich? NO.
He had relatives there? I learn- NO.

I wish to give here an exact example, what's going on with all these peoples there.
Let the jaclaz knows too - he always defends them. ) Anyway… .

I'm safe. All info is an official info- and this is worst for them- they are nowhere to hide any more.
They are not able to reach me. They will take what they deserve- justice.
And that's all that I want.

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Posted : 21/04/2018 6:43 pm
RolfGutmann
(@rolfgutmann)
Community Legend

You are absolutely right, we have to defend the non-guilty people.

It may sounds not necessary I know to think about more security. But I too had to learn to
search and define the next step of personal security. Its just to be ready and prepared for the
next step. To be prepared is everything - RTS Ready To Shoot (Slingshot -)

I wish you strength on your good way.

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Posted : 21/04/2018 7:45 pm
jaclaz
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Let the jaclaz knows too - he always defends them. ) Anyway… .

Never did that, you are committing the exactly the same error you attribute to others, you state as facts about me something that you - for whatever reasons - completely failed to understand.

jaclaz

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Posted : 22/04/2018 10:36 am
MickArneke
(@mickarneke)
Member

Hi all,

Wish just to inform all of my [hidden or not so] supporters here, that [ finally ] we officially justified, than those National Forensic Lab [Greece] have an ISO 17025 certificate.

This was VERY well hidden fact, and not mentioned anywhere, including THE OFFICIAL Forensic lab NATIONAL OFFICIAL certification page. For me was 4-5 months fiddling to obtain this piece of info [ which is a critical info here, in this case] . Thanks Wolfie [ not a real name!! ], my dearest friend from my youth, which give me a joker.

Now, all of us are in possession of very powerful weaponry.

After about 1 week cross-reference study, I tip some peoples about 46 critical certificate violations, which by itself, is unbelievable fact.

All is ok- my help is much needed, and I'm glad. My oldest son [ not much old] ask me one night

"Daddy, whats going on with this poor man, you help him?'
" He is not a "poor man" … [child's name]. He is a very good and decent man, but, just- he was out of luck in his life. Occurs sometime, with all of us".
" Dad, are we are lucky ?"
" I don't know"- and I really don't know.

That's All folks… the fight continues.

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Posted : 26/05/2018 7:57 pm
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