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CHFI Versus CCE Certification

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cjaveni
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CHFI Versus CCE Certification

Post Posted: May 07, 07 00:11

Hello,

Was hoping someone could point me to a reference or have information regarding the difference between a CHFI certification and a CCE Certification. Right now I am stuck between InfoSec CHFI and Vigilar's CCE training and certification.

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris  
 
  

hogfly
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Re: CHFI Versus CCE Certification

Post Posted: May 07, 07 02:45

I guess it depends on what you're after. If you want a cert for the sake of having a cert, and only want to pass a test, then get the CHFI.

If you want a cert that has a solid community of actual professionals, and you have to pass 4 tests to get it (3 practical exams) then go for the CCE.

My honest opinion is that anything without a practical component for certification just isn't worth it, unless all you're after is a cert.  
 
  

armresl
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Re: CHFI Versus CCE Certification

Post Posted: May 07, 07 06:11

I'm pretty sure you just offended anyone who has the CHFI.

I'll chime in on the CCE. Certs are only as good as the people who make up the questions and who say that you are right or not on the questions that don't have a clear cut A B C answer, or where you have to put down procedure's and someone else might believe your procedure's are not up to their standards.

Maybe it's time for me to hang up the ole write blocker and HD, cause I have neither of those certs...........


- hogfly
I guess it depends on what you're after. If you want a cert for the sake of having a cert, and only want to pass a test, then get the CHFI.

If you want a cert that has a solid community of actual professionals, and you have to pass 4 tests to get it (3 practical exams) then go for the CCE.

My honest opinion is that anything without a practical component for certification just isn't worth it, unless all you're after is a cert.

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hogfly
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Re: CHFI Versus CCE Certification

Post Posted: May 07, 07 09:24

That really wasn't my intention, however I don't think multiple choice or written tests prove anything. Along the same vein I don't think certs are all that important to begin with as they are typically proficiency exams and not much more. I guess what I'm trying to say is that taking a multiple choice test doesn't prove proficiency, whereas something practical stands a better chance of proving proficiency. It doesn't matter if it's GCFA,CHFI,CIFI,CCE blah blah..without a practical portion to the exam, it's just taking a test - which proves little. It's like taking a firearms proficiency exam, if you can't shoot the gun and operate it safely, then you can't carry one.

In regards to procedures being up to someones standards...the entire industry is based on this, especially when the law is involved. At least that portion of the CCE is closer to the real thing.  
 
  

OldDawg
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Re: CHFI Versus CCE Certification

Post Posted: May 12, 07 05:41

Yep, that was pretty offensive.

I have a CHFI and I think I'm a professional. At least, I've made my living in the computer industry for the last 22 years in the fields of software engineering, project management, technical support, systems analysis design and implementation and training. I think that, along with all of my education in computer science, including the CHFI course, makes me as professional as anybody out there, including you and "your" professionals.

The CHFI, and the CCE for that matter, are just a scratch on the surface of computer science in general and digital forensics in particular. I think a smart practitioner would do the CHFI, then the CCE and then pursue whatever else interests them (all the while voraciously reading everything CF related they can get their hands on). Education in this field is a never ending requirement. One certification, even a CCE, means next to nothing in the larger scheme of things. Anybody that get's a CCE or a CHFI and stops there is fooling themselves.

I disagree with some aspects of the CCE process, but you won't see me bad mouthing another persons qualifications here.
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hogfly
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Re: CHFI Versus CCE Certification

Post Posted: May 12, 07 08:59

Again, that wasn't my intention, so I do apologize. Allow me to eat my foot and say that I think I misrepresented myself with my initial statements. In no way did I mean to state that a person with a CHFI is less professional than a person with a CCE and I certainly didn't intend to badmouth another persons qualifications. When I said "a strong community of actual professionals", I meant that there exists a community of professionals that is in contact with each other on a daily basis. The creators of the CCE made the effort to make this possible. To my knowledge, this doesn't exist for CHFI's other than in forums such as this. It's not a matter of "me and my professionals" as you put it, but rather the fact that the CCE fosters a community of professionals whereas the CHFI does not. In addition, CCE's tend to get together at the Southeast CyberCrime Summit to network and rub elbows. If I'm wrong and the EC-Council provides this, then correct me please.

In addition, as I've said in other settings many of the best and brightest in the industry do not posess a certification and they don't need to in order to be "qualified". Certifications are proficiency exams and are really not much more than that.

I realize that what I said can easily be construed in that manner, and it obviously has so that's my fault for not providing a clarified statement. My statements were directed at the certifications themselves and not the people that posess either of these two certifications, the training received, or any other certification for that matter.

Your points are all valid and I too disagree with aspects of the CCE process but I will maintain that an exam with a practical component stands a better chance of proving proficiency than a multiple choice test.

At this point I offer a final apology to those who are offended.  
 
  

cfprof
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Re: CHFI Versus CCE Certification

Post Posted: May 12, 07 17:38

My wish is certainly NOT to cause more hard feelings or offense, only to ask a follow up question.

I'm curious: both of you mention that you don't agree with parts of the CCE process. Which parts do you disagree with and why?

Thanks in advance .....  
 

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